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MGWR Passenger and Goods Stock - is there a need?
Northroader replied to 2996 Victor's topic in Irish Models
I’ve just had the one kit from Shapeways, a GER coach which came around a year ago. I gather it was an improved print, with a whitish dusty finish, and I was quite pleased with it. Maybe earlier productions weren’t as good, the first time I saw a 3D print it reminded me of a 50ply sweeping off the pavement. Resin castings? I’ve tried them, but the problem with me is having a flexible mould to free them always led to some distortion. There must be ways of getting round this, as when I buy them commercially, they’re nice and square. -
MGWR Passenger and Goods Stock - is there a need?
Northroader replied to 2996 Victor's topic in Irish Models
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The second loco I fancied was the MGWR “L” 0-6-0 standard goods, which does have a varied history, with alphabetical suffixes for variations, and becoming two classes in GSR days. I hadn’t built up enough competency to build it entirely by myself, I needed a machined chassis, and as luck would have it, the wheel sizes and wheelbase are very close to a GWR 2251 class, just the Swindon loco has more overhang at the back end. At the time, there was a long established firm, CCW, doing kits for chassis and bodies of quite a wide range of popular prototypes. The chassis were very similar to the Leinster Models kits, with 1/16” frame plates and spacers, axle bushes, and the coupling rods were very nice milled to profile in nickel silver. They were reasonably priced, so I sent for it, and some Slaters wheels, buffers, pickups, and a motor/gearbox from Premier. Then it was just trim a foot or so of the back end and reposition the rear spacer holes, and mark and drill for the pickups. Everything fitted very nicely, and I became a CCW fan. They had a great catalogue, with an extensive range of products, a good stand at the Gauge 0 Guild meetings, and I started to pick out what I fancied next. Then they stopped trading! Just like that, there one minute, gone the next. On to the body, I did this myself from .018” brass sheet, tinsnips, hacksaw and filing. Anybody remember Micromodels? They were neat little printed card sheets in a pack, very small scale, and I used to cut them out and stick them together when I was a kid, and they did have the virtue of showing how you could form the shape of a loco from a flat sheet, so useful training. You can still pick them up on eBay, and there are folks still producing the same idea as downloads. Here’s a sample if you haven’t come across them. http://worldofmicromodels.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Set-NS-V-Justin-Olson.pdf Using this principle, plus some commercial castings for a dome, the superstructure was formed. The tender is made with the outside frames as dummies hanging down from the body, and the wheelsets run in a detachable inside frame. You’ll see it has a PCB fixed on carrying phosphor bronze whiskers (wire from Slaters) acting on the wheel flanges for pickups Then the body gets done from brass sheet in a similar manner to the loco. And there you have it, I really did fancy the unique look for the MGWR “flyaway”cab.
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I think when you’ve got a small layout, the water tank/signalbox situation is either/or, both together is going emphasise a cramped look. The same thing happened on my line.
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Ernies Massive Irish 1930's to 2005 Photo Archive
Northroader replied to Glenderg's topic in Photos & Videos of the Prototype
I’m surprised reading the article that there’s little mention of the historic and picturesque nature of the place as a tourist attraction? -
I fancy the Guvvinment put the money up and the MGWR were very helpful in spending it, contrast the “tin sheds” on the GSWR with the tasteful brick builds on the MGWR.
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Ernies Massive Irish 1930's to 2005 Photo Archive
Northroader replied to Glenderg's topic in Photos & Videos of the Prototype
The BR container is loaded crosswise instead of lengthwise. Maybe there’s two on the open? -
https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/rpsi-collection/52/504-guinness-grain-van I fancy these wouldn’t stray off the GNR, ( mind, they’d have to get to the brewery over the GSWR ) but it’s an interesting prototype.
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So, early on in ‘96, once the Christmas expenses were out of the way, I sent off to Dublin for an 0 gauge kit of the one Irish loco the McGowans did. They called it a “Bat”, I couldn’t say why, as that wasn’t the first named in the class, otherwise known as a MGWR “E”, or a GSR/CIE “J26” 0-6-0T. it was the first loco I tried building, and the way it was done has coloured my approach ever since. The chassis was simplicity itself, two 1/16” brass strips for the main frames, four machined brass spacers to set it up, a set of brass axle bushes, and two plain steel strips with the pilot holes drilled in for the coupling rods. You'll see there is no compensation, and I’m of a mind that if you get all the tips of the wheel flanges touching down on a glass plate with no rocking, compensation is an extra complication. The bit of extra depth in finescale wheel flanges should be adequate enough to cover track irregularities, if the loco keeps derailing, look at your track. I added some L shaped brass strips fore and aft to give a place for the screws to attach the superstructure, but you can find spacers with a central vertical hole drilled through. The Mashima motor and gears ride on the back axle, and I made a strap to go round the motor and screw on to a spacer to support the motor. Since I built this loco my fitting skills have improved, the crankpin holes had to be drilled out oversize before it would give me free running with the coupling rods on, and larger washers were needed. The rods, of course, needed a lot of filing to go from a plain steel bar to a decent profile, and something I discovered was they do need sideways clearance allowance on the bushes for when the wheels track round a curve. With the wheels in place, I marked out and drilled for a set of Slaters plunger pickups. They’re dear, but they do give reliability when handled right. I’ve since worked out the best way to fit these is to tin the little tag first off, then assemble them as a unit away from the frame, so that you can screw the plunger nuts really tight. The motor leads, also tinned, with some spare length, are fed out through the frame holes and soldered to the tags with a quick in and out dab of the soldering iron. The pickups can then be fed through the frame holes into position. This way you’ve got the tag nuts really tight, and the soldering iron heat has had less of a chance to run down the plunger and start melting the spring into the plastic top hat bush. The superstructure was quite simple, the main platework was done with tinplate punchings, with a prerolled boiler, and with a few castings to add. It’s the only tinplate job I’ve come across, and I found it lovely to solder. Of course, I did the sequence wrong, opened the kit, got it all out, then ordered the wheels from Slaters. While I was waiting for those, all fired up, I thought I’d push on with the body. Wrong! Always get a working chassis made before you start on the top. I had to re do the front splashers to get the proper clearance when I had finally made the chassis and fitted it to the top. There were castings for smokebox door, chimney, dome, safety valve bonnet and springs. The rest of the detail I did myself, adding buffers, drawgear, vac pipes, handrails, tank fillers, sandboxes, and whistle. Did you spot there’s no brakework? nobody looks under the footplate anyway. Numbers and nameplate are homemade lashups. Well, there’s a kit from thirty years ago, these days it’s all 500 pieces out of .018” brass etched sheet. I used a can of Humbrol emerald green to handbrush it, then lining out with black and white paint, using a spring bow pen, apart form the boiler bands, which are from the HMRS LNER sheet.
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The layout is looking really good, and that train just fits in nicely. Regarding the puffer, if you had a mast and Derrick in front and behind the hatch, would that help it look more like a coasting vessel? Drawing off an old IoMSP boat here, a bit larger.
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The Railway Signalling Co did a lot of work for the GS&WR and the MGWR following the Regulation of the Railways Act. The Alphagaphix kit for Foynes signal box would make a nice base to work from.
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A good example of two companies meeting face to face was at Cavan, with the MGWR and the GNRI. (Lifted from Arnold’s “Golden Years of the GNR, vol.2”) The MGWR was there first with their terminus, then the GNR arrived and added their own yard. As the plan stands, the GNR would need the MGWR turntable, and the MGWR would need the GNR runaround. (A case of “you scratch my back...”?) Having the two yards end to end would make for a very long model, so what if you ditched the GNR yard, and added a little bit to the MGWR station. Remove the “bridge” to island platform, and add a foot overbridge or foot crossing at the platform end, which would take care of the runaround problem, make the cattle beach line into a loop, and put an extra siding in the goods yard for mileage traffic?
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Irish Houses in the Early 1900s - What Colour Paint To Use?
Northroader replied to 2996 Victor's question in Questions & Answers
Pope John Paul visited Ireland in 1979? was it, the first papal visit to Ireland, and the practice of giving a colour wash to houses was initiated as a welcoming gesture. In any case, there was very little colour outdoor washes available much before then, anyhow, the practice was justly popular and has become firmly based since then. if you’re looking at the 1900s, there was just white limewash, no other colours, and otherwise plain brick/ stone finish or cement rendering. -
Well, your man said “show us yer locos”, so first a short introduction. In September, 1995, I went to the Gauge 0 guild show in Telford, and on one of the stands I met these two really charming gentlemen, as lovely people as you’d ever wish to meet. They were Ciaran and Gerry McGowan, and they were trading as Leinster Models. Their long established model shop at Phibsboro in Dublin had closed, I gather, in 1992, but they kept the model kits production going a bit longer, and I think that was the last time they came to Telford. From the bit I’ve heard the shop was the place to go in Dublin, both as a treasure house and somewhere to meet like minded people. Their kits were mainly British outline, I fancy as they sold more of these, but anyway having had a chat and a look at what they were doing, I really fancied one of their kits, and once the following Christmas outgoings were through, I sent off to their address for the one Irish one they did. (Mind, one good selling point for what they were doing was it was a decent price and good value.)
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Oh dear! Edit:checking the Facebook page it just a quick shutdown for “data maintenance”. I thought for one horrible minute. ...
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My wife always insists with any flower arranging that an odd number of flowers are placed in the vase, never an even number.
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If you visit his site you’ll find there are sections for what he does in 4mm as well.
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Recently I posted a few pictures of some of my models on the layout design thread to illustrate a point, and it struck me I really ought to get a thread started for them. I’m more of a branch line person than a main liner by inclination, and I’m very drawn to the era around 1900. The trains were nice and compact, with smart colourful paint jobs. For around the last thirty years I’ve settled on modelling in 0 scale, having previously dabbled in most of the other scales, and I find this scale is really suited to what I want. It also gives a satisfying feeling to the bulk of individual models when you pick them up, which I like. You should be able to recognise this as an Alphagraphix kit, with a chassis tacked on from brass strip and plastikard bits, and Slaters wheels, so quite cheap. No links with the firm, but they are a good starting point for this sort of thing. https://www.alphagraphixkits.co.uk The printed card is just glued on to backing card, cut out with a sharp craft knife, and the cut edges tinted. It’s also gained a “corrugated iron” roof using a Salters plastikard sheet, the GS&WR being very fond of this stuff as a building material. Where my layout falls down is in the track gauge, as it’s done using 32mm width, rather than the Irish 36 and a bit mm. gauge. These days the latter is quite easy to do, with copper clad sleepering and f/b rail, and it does give a far more realistic appearance, referring to “Arigna Town /Belmullet” and “Rosses Point” on this website. It’s just that I also use my line to run British outline models as well, changing the backscene, buildings, and rolling stock as required.
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All very well, I’m just looking at the date on the calendar.
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There are still some popups appearing, but not so many as before, thank goodness. There’s still a lot of weeding out needed, so it could be some time before it settles, I fancy.
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Well, RMweb is back up and running on a new migration (!?) although it seems a Vale of tears before it got there. Still some things needing to be tweaked, and a whole wodge of everyone’s pictures from the last twelve months sunk with all hands.
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With an “I shot JR” tee shirt.
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N Scale Ballywillan, Co Longford.
Northroader replied to Kevin Sweeney's topic in Irish Model Layouts
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Track, VG...buildings,VG... but that backscene really lifts the layout up and gives you a real feeling of place. Great work.