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3. From 1933 a new livery appeared which would eventually cover all stock - a much lighter maroon actually the same as (British) LMS maroon. The Belfast & Co Down seemed to use the same shade, or one virtually indistinguishable.

Our friend Cyril Fry had his models display all three GSR liveries. 1. Dark “crimson lake”, which was a Guinness-like very dark crimsony maroon, so dark it looked almost like a dark brown with a reddish tint. This is very well reproduced on Downpatrick’s ex-GSWR coach 836 (though ignore the cream panels!) After 1925, all carriages both broad and narrow gauge were gradually repainted thus, though Senior recalled a passenger brake to be found around Inchicore bearing an older GSWR livery well into the ‘30s. This was essentially the old GSWR colour applied to everything but without the GSR’s sometime upper cream panels. 2. From the late 1920s, SOME stock was repainted brown and cream, with panels painted and lined as shown below. Most coaches, however, had the upper panels completely cream up to roof level. A thin black line below the windows separated the two. Two thin black lines were just above window level and just below roof level, against the cream background. Despite Fry’s model in this livery being a six-wheeler, I have found no evidence to show anything other than main line bogie stock plus a single example of a six-wheel passenger brake (used in main line trains!) ever carrying this. Anecdotal evidence is that it was a “main line livery” with the majority of all stock (including 6-wheelers, secondary vehicles and narrow gauge) all remaining the dark “lake” colour.

Museum open to the public tomorrow, 7th July. Open from now on (tsunamis, viruses, power cuts and plagues of locusts permitting) six days a week (closed Mondays).

For a major company, details of MGWR liveries for vans and goods vehicles are surprisingly scarce. Some sources suggest guards vans as being standard wagon grey, albeit a much darker shade than in GSR times. It is likely that this WAS the case in later years. However, other sources suggest a “sand” colour. From what I gather, this may be either plain wrong, or possibly confined to maintenance vehicles like plough vans (not used in normal traffic). Many sources suggest green for goods brakes, or brake vans which contain some passenger accommodation. It occurred to me last night that Cyril Fry might be a source of info on this, and here it is. Not everything that Fry did is correct livery-wise, though most is. I am inclined to believe, however, that there’s no reason to think this is inaccurate - a very dark green, darker even than the UTA shade: The plain brown interior, much like loco cab interior, will be noted.

Filth is VERY certainly the thing in the Crossley era - I often wondered if that's why many A and C classes ended up with only the white flash above front cab windows, and no side white band and no "tan" at all! Your weathering looks superb - just like the real thing.

Looking for up to two each of the 4 wheeled HV and the 4 wheeled LV. PM me if you have one available?

Actually, it does. Certainly non-standard / Could it be a one-off?

I’d love to see that yoke in steam! Sadly, my understanding is that it needs very major work including an entire new boiler and probably firebox too.

That's the one, Broithe! Thank you! (Mods.... want to move it or leave it?)

Recently there were posts somewhere about signals, which I can’t find; so - mods - feel free to move this. Attached is a sketch from Senior’s papers of GNR & NCC “somersault” signal dimensions.

A peculiar looking beast indeed! The only chance I can think of is if anyone took ciné of 106 on the last-ever run of them, an IRRS special about February or March in - I think - 1978. I was on it, and managed a cab run (in a CROWDED cab; "health'n'safety", and the poor driver's nerves, be damned!) from Lansdowne Road to Dalkey. I did not have a high-end camera then, and the pics I took are nothing different to those taken by many others with better cameras. Perhaps someone like Walter McGrath or Tony Price was on that trip? If so, and IF they took "moving" images, they will now be with the IRRS. Some old clips of trains on the north Wexford line and the Mallow - Waterford may show them - they were regulars on the latter until the 121s largely displaced them. There are bits of wobbly colour film on youtube here and there covering that.

I understand that he broke the locomotive with his nail that day.....

That really is a lovely layout. Congratulations to the Past Avenue crew!

It's one of Fry's - when I saw this post today I was in the museum and I was actually standing beside the cabinet containing that model when I read it! Very few of his models actually do show rust - and on this one, it is only evident in that one spot.

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Superb!!!

Maybe NIR forgot it too when they repainted the turquoise band over the bumblebee stripes?

Hard to tell in artificial light, but the grey's not bad.... I think there would be a grey band above window level too - the blue right up to the cantrail seems to have appeared when the turquoise band replaced the "bumblebee" mid-waist lining. Very nice job you've done.

I would normally think long and hard before parting with sums much bigger than that for a loco, but I would certainly buy a couple and I am certain that many more here would too. But would he sell 5000? That would be the issue. I think irrespective of whether a re-run ever happens or not, PM owes nobody anything! His models so far have been ground-breaking.

I always wondered what they would have looked like in black, had they lasted only 2 or 3 years more!

I see what you mean, Mike. That was a raised rim. The lining would be very obvious on the bunker if it was in GSWR pre-1915 times. It need not be GSR era - the GSWR started the unlined grey at some point between 1915 and 1918. This is Fry’s model of one, for interest, in grey.

I hadn't noticed that smaller window before. I think they were all initially with three windows same size.

Yes, it's pure Inchicore! The GSWR operated Wexford - Rosslare locals. It's after 1918 as the engine is in plain grey. Prior to that it would be very obviously lined (and black) as the GSWR made sure engines were clean. It was one of sixteen built between 1879 and 1884 (this one 1886). They were class E3. Most were scrapped in the 1930s but this was one of a trio which survived as the last examples to 1945. They were initially used on branches in the south and south-west, and were very much associated with Cork, Waterford and that area. Wexford - Rosslare locals, and possibly Rosslare - Waterford. If the picture is after 1925, I am sure they put in appearances on the North Wexford line from time to time. Cork suburban services had them too - they worked Youghal and Cobh trains too.

I'd be thinking along those lines too.