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Proper order too - in real life they WOULD have looked shabby almost all of the time! Pristine shiny goods wagons weren’t exactly common in the past....

From which book are the livery descriptions?

Yes, now I'm looking at it on the "big" computer rather than the ipad, that is very clear. Thus, the mystery is solved. It is very definitely a weedspray train. But where!

Certainly looks like it, Ernie - however - while clearly it's an old six-wheeled coach chassis, the side showing on your pic appears to have still got three doorsteps, whereas none are visible on the original photo above. Therefore, unless what looks like steps on your pic are actually not, then that leaves the possibility that either its a slightly different vehicle (which I doubt), or there were only steps left on one side (more likely).

Stations, and a question. The first needs no introduction - Ballinamore in GSR days. The second is the short-lived Recess Hotel platform on the Clifden line. This came from an old out-of-print book in the history of Galway. I have it ready to go into the Clifden book but I need a much better quality copy, ideally the negative source. It does not appear in listings for the Lawrence / Welch collections. Has anyone of the historical community here got any idea where at least a better copy might be?

That's exactly the way to go! Anyone's layout is what they want it to be.... I think they look superb, Tony. I'd say Railtech can come up with anything you need transfer-wise, judging by anecdotal evidence here.

I have updated the tables I did at the start of this thread with relevant info gleaned from the above.

Possibly - hard to be 100% certain.

In relation to the painting of things green, I found the following. First, a letter to Senior from J Macartney Robbins detailing some livery aspects, and secondly a letter published in “Cuisle” in 1947 from an obvious enthusiast - being very much a case of “plus ca change”.... Were they actually made by Bassett Lowke or was this just a “headline” name? I’m unaware of any reviews of them, but a very fine looking beast.

That is quite possible, airfixfan, though if so it's not the normal one. If it IS a weedspray, it's going to be somewhere on the INW line. I'm actually thinking you're probably right.

This is a puzzle as it appears nowhere in Senior’s notes. Location and date unknown, beyond GNR and late 1950s, but following discussion here appears to be a weed spray train.

There was only one of this pair which went to Donegal and it was scrapped long ago. But the eight-wheeled one, as rebuilt India Donegal (and thus not in D & B condition) still exists in the museum in Cultra, which is outside Belfast rather than in Co. Donegal.

Is that particular one recommended as a good general-purpose primer for 00 gauge stuff?

I'm afraid not. Senior watched one of those railcars labour past him near a rural little country village called Templeogue (!!) and I think he saw one sitting in Blessington, but he never took a pic of it or travelled in it.

Flat sides on both of them. Both only ran a short time, and were quite unsuitable for the line. One got so rough and mechanically wrecked that after a very short time it was only used to carry mailbags.

Looks very nice indeed for "N", Tony! Big advantage for fitting more into less space.....

My first sight of one, as far as I recall, was in a loose-coupled goods train and it was loaded with new-looking wooden beams of some sort, sticking up slightly over one end...... easy to model with those longer matchsticks (the thicker ones) cut to suitable lengths....

I've nothing in the GSWR station as it had been closed for a very long time when I was travelling about! Indeed, so long, that Senior has nothing of the place either!

Drumm trains

The coach is at Claremorris and I think the loco was Athlone.

It’s 1976, and the summer is hot and long....

Yes, I couldn't agree more, minister. NIR have had variations of the exact same logo from 1968 to 1996 when they became Translink in image terms - now, here's a weird one logo-wise: how can it be that twenty-four years after Translink decided to put their own oval-shaped logo across buses and trains, the three 111 class, alone, still - even after modern repaints - sport the old NIR logo! I would have thought that the marketing geniuses would have started painting them the darker blue used on railcars, with a huge "translink" on the sides.... I'm not saying that i would LIKE it - I just would have expected it. When IE (thanks to some persuasion from at least one member here) decided to do two 071s in heritage livery, it was a good move. Maybe NIR missed a trick in 2018 for their 50th in painting the three locos one in GNR blue, one in dark BCD green, and one in NCC maroon! Even a CAF in maroon and light grey might be nice - but those yellow ends would have to go.

Both. It was painted green almost immediately. It does not seem to have even entered CIE traffic in SLNCR livery. It had a black roof. Despite having been painted thus, one must assume, in 1959, it seems to have been an early conversion to black'n'tan, and obviously it retained that until withdrawal. Indeed, what's left of it still does. In my DCDR days I put in a grant app for that thing, and got a tender from Rail Restorations North East in England to fully restore it to full running order. Technologically it's a dead simple one. The cost was £170k, later reduced after bargaining to £160k. However, the funding didn't appear as there were too many projects in for the same funding round. Otherwise, it would have been off on a low loader. It's just as well that it didn't. RRNE would receive the RPSI's 171 a few years later, and they started work on it - but then went bust! Luckily the RPSI got 171 back just in time. Had the railcar been also there at the time, it would very likely have been seized and scrapped to pay off the bankrupt firm's debts...certainly, the DCDR would have ended up with a very nasty bill indeed to try to get it back.....

Shows how different shades can indeed show up quite differently in different lights! Which also explains the oft-repeated myths that there WERE in reality a million different colours. In later years, any livery will fade too, and depending on the pigments in paints used can look quite different.... But for this model, it certainly looks the part, especially in that second photograph. Excellent - absolutely excellent - work, as always!

And quite rightly so! Until at least 1976, Lisburn station was issuing UTA Edmondson return tickets to Dublin.......