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Many old lines have ample room for both - often, when a railway was build, the company took enough land to double it, should this be needed in the future.

16 x 18 Inch lengths for sale. Description as above. €55.

This seems to have occasionally been done by the CDRJC, but I’m unaware of it ever being done by any other line. If any others did, I would think the Lough Swilly would be a prime contender! Given the amount of stuff painted grey over the decades, I can’t help feeling that grey paint must have been cheap too!

This just keeps getting supernaturally better! Such an unusual prototype with so much detailed thought going into its planning, never mind its execution. I'm really enjoying seeing this one develop. I take it you live in a 5-storey house to accommodate it!!!

Crimson and white was indeed what was in the back of my mind. But early on the LLSR proper changed, as you suggest, to brown & salmon, as below. No hard information on the very first LLSR carriage livery has survived, but the LSWR livery was indeed brown (lower; probably a dark chocolate shade) and a salmony pinkish colour above that with roofs originally white, but these would have weathered within a single trip to a lightish grey! Below are details, though the lettering and lining might have been different. http://early-lbscr.co.uk/lswr1520/Livery specification for 1520.pdf I can't help feeling that the ends were more likely to be brown, but I have no hard information on this. I suspect that the all-black livery came into being about 1910. Lining on the black paint was in red, which probably looked quite smart, if somewhat funereal, when new. In post-war times, or maybe from the 1930s, everything was plain wagon grey. (Irish railways have always seemed to have a love affair with grey! Today its the De Dietrichs and 071s....)

I'm sending him an outline drawing today, if I can find it; I've been away and am only just back.

The red numbers were on the silver carriages. Silver locos had “eau-de-nil” snails and numerals (not black, as sometimes seen on some models).

You’d be able to get LMS crest transfers and lettering. Little need to worry about coach lining as most ncc narrow gauge stock (and occasionally secondary main line stock) was unlined. It is my understanding, though, that they lined all locos. Standard LMS wagon grey is available to buy. They used the same grey here that they used in England. Depending on the era of your layout, there were several quite different styles of wagon lettering.

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Wrenn, this WILL be of interest. If you’re happy to share please PM me?

DCDR should have details; the 80 class yoke stands out, as apart from it, the sugar puff locos, the pair of E class, and ITG stock (excluding G611), every single thing there is in the wrong livery. Often hopelessly wrong. i just don’t get this; preservation? A similar majority of inaccuracies exists, unfortunately, at every single preservation site in this island. Anyway; try DCDR for proper RAL numbers.

NCC livery was (colour wise) a straightforward copy of British LMS “red” (actually mid-maroon). Lining same colour, but lettering / position of LMS crest etc - different in some cases.

Wow! Seriously impressive!!!

Latest is..... roughly £30 stg per coach. Floor & chassis & footboards included. more anon

Build the layout first, Sam, and get any old pair of Hornby coaches and any medium sized locomotive to test the track and curves. Bear in mind not to have curves to sharp for an 0.6.0. The absolute minimum radius is 2ft, but if space permits it looks better less sharp. For ease of operation use as large radius points as you can get away with. Think about wiring. Will you use DCC, fir example?

I think the best thing is look up the Worsley Works website. Have a look at their 4mm scale GSWR kits. The MGWR ones would be the same type of construction and probably a broadly similar price. However, when I have answers to a few of my own queries I’ll post details here.

One of their distinctive side-corridor bogies, possibly? .....Anything MGW is welcome! I have made enquiries as to likely cost. yes - these would be standard Worsley "Srcatch-Aid" models, requiring a certain amount of work by the purchaser.

OK, folks, it's viable! I'll get onto Worsley and post details of progress here. If anyone else wants them, as long as they're in amounts of four (that's my understanding) they can be done too. Or contact Worsley directly yourself. Regarding the brake 3rd, I'd take one; Popeye is a second - anyone for six more?

Four now committed to, possibly five. Any takers for three or four more?

Hi folks I've been speaking with Allen Doherty of Worsley Works to enquire whether it is feasible to do a small run of this most essential 1950s CIE coach. The answer, of course, is yes - depending on numbers. There need to a minimum of only eight to allow him to break even. I want two, so that's only six left. I wonder would anyone here be interesting in committing to ordering a few, and letting Allen know? As stated, I'd take two, maybe three. I don't know what the price would be, but his kits are very reasonable indeed. If successful, the brake third which was so common would be another possibility.

Me too! I remember the shed road full of As and loose coupled trucks, and of course the Sligo Leitrim railcar and an old Midland six-wheel third in the shed. naturally, an enthusiast could hop down off the platform and wander at liberty all over the tracks..... I took a pic of a grubby A on a fertiliser train that way. And that great day on the RPSI May tour in 1978 when three engines were in steam there at once - 184, 186 & 4...... I got a Limerick - Waterford train in both directions, with all that convoluted shunting involving going round the back of the station and reversing umpteen times! Great days, ending with a steak in a laminate dining car with dribbly teapot on the way home.....with one of those brand-new 071 things.

I remember that - only time I travelled behind one, and only time I ever got a footplate run in one! It was an IRRS trip. Might get one for the layout..................

True, but in the case of the railways they tended to match it. That said, differing qualities of paint were another matter; you could paint two things the exact same colour at the same time, but if the paints used were of different qualities or compositions, one would fade differently to others. Especially in the 1950s, with wooden sided coaches, this gave rise to the urban myth that no two greens were the same. On the day they were painted they were all the same - one of the two shades used pre- and post-1955. But as they wore and weathered and faded, they did it differently, thus ending up all sorts of shades. On wooden bodied coaches, the older variety of green darkened, while the post-1955 colour became just very washed-out looking. If you look at Downpatrick's TPO and G611, you'll see this clearly. They were painted the correct shade when first restored, but they're not now! For once, its not due to preservationists getting the colour wrong (although G61X class were never green!) - it's just due to weathering.

Yes, I always wondered why they bothered repainting them in "supertrain" livery, yet the E class which remained in traffic for another 7/8 years remained in 1960s all-black. Far from being hitched onto any "super" train, to my knowledge no 101 pulled ANY passenger train even in the 1970s. As you say, PW only latterly.

Yes, I remember the old 101s in “pink” in the sound barrier! There was an old “tin van” in Heuston about 25 years ago which was going the same way. Pity it was scrapped - it was the last of them....