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  1. The above, mint and boxed, never used, €100. This is not the same ad as the one for a V65 which I posted the other day.
  2. That works very well, by the look of it..... The new track plan looks better, too.
  3. Given that passenger buildings, like Cork, are sometimes on curves, it mightn't look out of place even though I'm unaware of anything prototypical. As long as it "looks right", it's your gig!
  4. They'd never manage to have it in the right livery..... they'd probably paint the ironwork black....
  5. Odd question perhaps - but do you have a photo of the tanks / storage facilities at Ballina for the buses?
  6. New, boxed, mint; not required. €100.
  7. Result: England 2.14, Galway 2.23.........
  8. Bought it on eBay; not wanted now as it would look out of place in a 1960-ish south west of Ireland setting! Original box, mint. €100
  9. Ken That’s absolutely correct. The thing never had a repaint in its entire life! Along with the 800 class trio, it’s the solitary engine that the GSR didn’t paint grey! The exact shade of green is unknown, but if it were possible to research in England what the makers generally used, you’d be ok with that. The only thing the GSR did was to add a number plate, and since the engine was never repainted, it’s probable that the number plate was just unpainted metal too. Those Peckett photos above would probably be correct, but in GSR days s heavy layer of weathering, almost obliterating the livery as in some photos above, would be more appropriate!
  10. Ken That’s absolutely correct. The thing never had a repaint in its entire life! Along with the 800 class trio, it’s the solitary engine that the GSR didn’t paint grey! The exact shade of green is unknown, but if it were possible to research in England what the makers generally used, you’d be ok with that. The only thing the GSR did was to add a number plate, and since the engine was never repainted, it’s probable that the number plate was just unpainted metal too.
  11. Station buildings and loco sheds could often be found on curves, e.g. Enniskillen, Drogheda and Cork. I have to say that I'm unaware of any goods sheds built curved - probably because by their very nature, a good bit of area round them was required for loading and unloading goods, and perhaps manoeuvring odd shaped large loads.
  12. That's the little loco that shunted Allmans Distillery in West Cork, and was bought by the GSR, yes?
  13. I’ll ping you, Dave. I can fill you in on quite a lot of stuff. Gimme a couple of days.
  14. Where were those types of tankers used mostly, and within which exact period?
  15. You'd like to think they'd put ICRs on it nowadays, at least on the main line; but I suspect it might end up with 26s or 28s (or 27s, right enough!)
  16. Only seeing this now. I have no information on woodwork colours of the WLWR. being a very short lived concern, it's possible that it was a continuation of that of the W & L; I am unsure, however, of what way they painted stations. The MGWR painted buildings, station furniture etc., with cherry red and cream or a stone colour. Station signs were either white letters on black, or navy blue enamel signs with white lettering; this, however, would fade to a creamy colour after a while. The GSR painted stations a darkish leaf green colour, not unlike earlier CIE green; and cream. The green and cream tended to be separated on upright poles, for example, by a half-inch black line. This was continued well into CIE days, right up to the early 1960s. In 1900, carriage liveries were as follows: WLWR: Same as their locos, lined maroon. Carriage lining was, i believe, gold; possibly gold and black. The maroon was quite a dark shade. MGWR: In 1900, plain mid-brown with gold lining. The blue / white livery, and the brown lined in yellow, and their variety of deep maroon, would come later. GSR: If we're in the 1930s, a few carriages are still rattling about in CBSCR, GSWR, MGWR and DSER liveries; most within their own territories. Actual GSR livery can be summed up (and I'm focussing on, say, 1935) as follows: 1. Standard carriage livery: Deep maroon / brown, known as "crimson lake", despite being no more crimson than yellow tartan! This is now accurately shown on the ex-State saloon, No. 351, now in the care of the RPSI, and the GSWR third, No. 836, at Downpatrick (though it should be noted that the white upper panels there are not accurate for that particular type of vehicle). This would be lined in gold, with full crest, initials and carriage numbers as shown in numerous photos. This was applied to all stock except for the following. This gloomy shade was in fact the same that the GSWR had used, and probably not much darker than the maroon livery which the MGWR had had from 1918-25. 2. "Main Line" livery. This was brown and cream, both shades the same (or close enough) to the livery of the Great Western Railway in Britain. The colours were separated by a thin black line, I'd say half an inch thick. The brown came to waist height, and cream from there to the (dark grey or black) roof. Above window level were two more thin black lines - one directly above the window line, and the other just below roof level. This livery was said to be intended initially for main line corridor stock only, but I have seen a single photo (and a poor one at that) which appears to show a six-wheeled passenger brake van clad thus. It's safe to assume this was an exception of some sort, as forty years of my perusal of old photos, particularly in the collections within the IRRS when they were available to members, failed to produce a single example of anything but main line stock in brown and cream. Narrow gauge, branch line stock, all 6-wheeled passenger stock, and older bogies were all concurrently in the "crimson lake". This brown and cream livery seems to have lasted from about 1929 to 1934 or so, but with infrequent repaints of some stock, carriages in that livery were probably still to be occasionally seen at the outset of the CIE era. 3. "Steels" livery. When Edgar Bredin planned the first steel-panelled stock, which though now known as "Bredins" (despite jhb171's grandfather's scrawl being on the drawings!), were then known as "the steels", they would enter traffic in a new livery. Perhaps they were tired of copying the GWR of England, so now they produced a livery virtually identical to that of the English LMS! A lighter maroon - LMS "red" (actually a light maroon) was chosen, lined in an identical manner to the NCC, and the LMS. This had a yellow / black / yellow line below window level, with twin yellow lines above windows - again, like the brown and cream, there was one line above the windows, and another below the gutter line. All stock of all types and both gauges would gradually be repainted this way. Thus, in 1935, it depends on what type of carriage you have. If it is older coaches, the deep purply brown. This would include non-corridor stock and all 6-wheelers. More modern wooden coaches (usually the high-roofed 1915-1925 designs) will be perhaps two thirds brown and cream, one third older purple lake. So, six models - 4 in brown and cream, 2 in lake, perhaps. Any newer Bredin type, whether suburban or main line, LMS style lined maroon. In terms of being lost in the mists of time, eye witnesses may be, but accurate information survives. Livery accuracy is almost entorely ignored by preservationists, artists, even some modellers, maybe it's just not our thing in Ireland. But in Britain, they go to extraordinary lengths to get it right. Thus, and properly restored LMS coach over there - and I'm sure Precision Paints have proper LMS maroon. Equally, they'll have GWR brown and cream. The accurate GSWR colour may be seen onthe two vehicles mentioned above, but also on the large scale model dining car made by GSWR apprentices, and now on display in Cultra (surrounded by full size things inaccurately decorated!). I hope that this is of assistance.
  17. Absolutely. Taking the 1970s or 80s would probably see the whole thing operated by 141s, with goods still in evidence, oil probably being the main thing, but busy beet traffic too. H van heaven on day to day stuff. That period would also see the lines using a motley collection of older laminates and Park Royals - the odd Craven might get a look in, while the occasional old Bredin would still be about into the mid seventies. Had it survived, it might well have been the last stamping ground of the four wheel tin vans too.
  18. It would take just three 3-car ICRs to run the whole service - twice a day Drimoleague - Baltimore and return, and twice, or possibly three times, Cork - Bantry and back. Doubtless there would by now be no goods, so Albert Quay goods yard would be a bus station and car park. An extra 2600-class could do a commuter service Cork - Bandon.... Layout idea?
  19. Future project - a 3-car 80 class?
  20. There is an expression of interest in the van for possible preservation.
  21. Let's hope the new CTC building is to the right scale, and painted in the right livery....
  22. Well, for some reason my first attempts didn’t get through - but - once my order WAS received, the stuff was dispatched to me very efficiently and timely.
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