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I can't place a source, but I've seen a pic somewhere which shows coal just stacked up inside one with no doors. Whether this was typical - and I suspect it probably was - I don't know for certain. Perusal of the one at Clifden might give the answer.

You mean the original wooden buildings? They're actually a good bit older. The utilitarian-looking shelter in the pic with the MPD railcar is a mixture - much older pillars and supports but 1960s roof & awning. When the narrow gauge went, few changes took place for over a decade, but once they disposed of goods traffic (1965), they had the usual UTA "rationalisation"....!

That's OK, saw it on your other pic showing the board. Just interested to see what the van was!

Interested in that photo showing the loco about to leave (into the tunnel) with a van behind it. Can you show this? Where did the photo come from?

Same as loco tenders.... One of the photos above shows the "wrong way round snail" on the driver's side.

Not sure, but it certainly looked better in the 1950s!

I think most of them were removed after goods traffic ceased in 1965. To Johannes again: Re-reading your original post, I note that your period is 1950s, and I forgot to mention initially that this is easier to model. If you are in there before it's railcar-time, there are actually more options with ready-or-nearly-ready-to-run. You can buy various types of English LMS coaches, both steel and (mostly) wood-panelled, which are as near as anything to NCC types. get them IN actual LMS livery, which was the same as the NCC, except for lettering. You won't even have to worry about crests on them, as most post-war carriage repaints didn't carry the LMS crest. If there's someone who does "LMS NCC" transfers of a suitable scale, that will cover a lot. By 1951, you're looking at roughly half the carriages in LMS maroon, and half newly repainted into the UTA's dark green. It's possible to get 00 scale UTA crests (the pre-1960 "roundel" or "red hand" type). Wagons - Leslie's "brown vans" - you'll need a lot of these for your parcels traffic! Some in bauxite brown with NCC markings, some in plain UTA green. Any oul open wagons will do, and you can buy LMS shade wagon grey from Humbrol or whatever they're called now. Locomotives - there's bound to be a British 0.6.0 which will approximate to an NCC 0.6.0 (X class, I think). LMS 4.4.0s can be altered to look like an NCC"U2" class. If there's ever a RTR "Jeep", buy six - yes. it'll be well worth selling your car. (Ye listening, Pat?) You'd need a "boat train" of NCC corridor stock, plus a couple of three to four coach local trains, of old wooden bodied stock.

That's the one, David - fairly standard Midland structure. The one at Clifden survives complete (as does Achill).

The Midland tended to build to last, and had the Belmullet line existed, you're looking at a platform-level bunker adjacent to the water tower (as opposed, usually, to a water column), made of cut stone with brick edging. Examples at Clifden. Achill, Killala, Loughrea, would be good models to replicate. Can't recall right now, but it was probably the same at Athboy, Killeshandra and Ballinrobe.

The station plans, or some of them, may possibly be in the IRRS collection in Dublin. If they aren't there, I'd say you'd be relying on photos. In any event, it's unlikely you'd have room for the entire complex of all buildings made to scale. On most layouts, buildings are scaled down to at least some extent. Those colour 1960s photos are great!

Johannes, you ask what colour stations were painted then. Woodwork was a darkish leaf green an cream, or occasionally darkish leaf green and a very light grey. Doorframes, window frames and doors darker green. Station nameboards yellow with black letters. Ironwork of gutters same dark green, downpies too. Metal supports for, say, notice boards or station name-boards, black or dark grey usually. Sometimes cream colou with bottom half-metre black. If you had any small corrugated iron huts at the lineside, these were usually light grey painted, possibly with lack at bottom near ground level.

It is indeed a crazy price for those. However, even then the design of those carriages is nothing like the one train set here that ran in that livery. OK for a "fantasy" layout - I don't know what level of accuracy you would prefer to go for - but as suggested above a kit-build would be needed for total accuracy. Maybe one or two of those coaches might pop up on fleabay individually some other time?

WOW! SO realistic - excellent. I am always greatly in awe of your scenic skills!

Hello Johannes, and welcome. You ask about authenticity of models for Larne Harbour. It depends on what period you are modelling. From the mid-1950s, passenger multiple units have monopolised, with locomotives rarer. General goods traffic ended by 1965, but parcels traffic was retained, sometimes in container wagons, on into the 1980s. If you want a pre-1950 scenario, the dual narrow gauge track is essential - you don't have to have narrow gauge models, though! Steam engines were supreme. You can amend several British (LMS) prototypes to make a decent approximation of the standard 2.6.4T tanks engines which operated on the line. Equally, an LMS 4.4.0 can approximate, or be amended to, a "U2" class 4.4.0. Few other steam engines were ever seen there after 1950. Bachmann do several LMS (English) coaches which are very very similar to several NCC prototypes, so steam-hauled carriages won't be a problem. In terms of wagons, Provincial Wagons and SSM do several wagons which might have gone there - an occasional CIE "H" van - VERY occasional - might have worked into there between about 1958 and 1965. Provincial's GNR goods brake van would suit, in extremely dirty condition. Ballast trains and (poetic licence?) the UTA / NIR's "spoil trains" might make an appearance (1967-70). Other than that, the big challenge is passenger stock. In the 1950s, 60s, 70s and early 80s, the various MPD railcars reigned supreme. There's no way round scratch-building these, as hardly two were alike! Then, from 1974, the 80 class railcars would monopolise all services, with the assistance of the ghastly "Castle Class" sets, until about ten years ago. Nowadays, the CAF railcars - a half-reasonable approximation can be had by a repaint of some British prototypes - don't ask me, as I'm not a "modern railcar person"! But I've seen some models which look very convincing. The NIR "Hunslet" locos would hardly ever have turned up in Larne, and when they did only with maintenance trains. The same is true of the three NIR "111" (or 071) types. You could employ another bit of "poetic licence" and have a Hunslet (there's a kit somewhere) with a three-coach push/pull Mk 2 set. The very last time I travelled behind a Hunslet was in the early 1990s with 101 pushing a three-coach Mk 2 set on a suburban all-stops from Central to Lisburn. Such a set could have gone to Larne at that time. Nothing to stop the odd RPSI train turning up. Maybe a set of RPSI Mk 2s and a "preserved" steam engine? Hope this is useful.

An aside - years ago, I was discussing with jhbSenior what times he travelled that line. Was there a "C" class on the train? --- "Not at all. It was a "J" class". (Translated meaning "what on earth would I want to go in a diesel train for?") "What type of carriage was it" --- "An old GSWR bogie". "What sort of upholstery had it?" (Me being always interested in colours / liveries) -- "No idea. I always went on the footplate...."

I don't known about the first one with C214. The others are of the up Galway day mail, and the grey / yellow 121 will be hauling it. They ran singly at first. I am unaware of EVER seeing a pair of 121s in any livery before 1972 (on an nearly "supertrain"). For modellers awaiting Murphy Day: grey ones singly, pairs in later times / other liveries. interesting re the couplings. I had forgotten about that. Re. Glinsk / Gleensk viaduct.... can't have been long out of use then - presuming you took that pic early 1960s? Looks like it's going to become part of a cycleway.... we'll be able to go up there again!

Me too..... two 121s (maybe more!) and four A's! Ouch €€€€

You're ok with authenticity, Colin - the C class entered service in 1957, after the A and B101s in 1955, while the narrow gauge still was operating. The Cavan & Leitrim and the Co. Donegal lasted until 1959, and the (by now all diesel!) West Clare until 1961.... so there ye have it! It would actually be interesting to know where the least known places were that 121s visited. They got into Ballaghadereen. One might presume New Ross or Ardee? Certainly they got to Ennis, and to Listowel via Tralee. One got to Loughrea, I think. Had there never been a border, they'd have been over the Derry Road, and Dundalk to Enniskillen, I am sure. Cue a separate topic, what would have operated over the Irish North if it had lasted even until 1970.......

I have to say I'm not a fan of this at all.....

In THAT case, between Ballysodare and Sligo, 60 with passenger coaches only, was certainly feasible at a pinch.

Indeed, Angus, nor do I. On the Ballysodare - Sligo stretch, a modern train, say an AEC railcar, would well do 60 - the track was for for it. But cattle trucks....no, definitely no. Such stock was normally limited to 30mph.

Under no circumstances could a SLNCR train have attained 60 miles per hour, or anything close to it. After 1930, the track was in woeful state. jhbSenior inspected it twice or three times in the 1950s in his own time, as he was friendly with the SLNCR Traffic Manager during his time with the GNR in Enniskillen, and the SLNCR couldn't afford to retain their own civil engineer. His thoughts on the track would probably have had a speed limit of 35 mph at most, maybe 40 on a few stretches. The railcar might have done that. Perusal of the timetables then show roughly two hours for Enniskillen to Sligo, or some average 25mph. That would equate to a top running speed of maybe 31-32mph. Apart from this, if anything attained even 45mph, it would have been Railcar "B". The wagons were certainly not fit for anything above 25-30mph. Leslie, your reticence in believing anything about 60mph would be very well founded! Colin Boocock may have been referring to when the line was first opened, but again, not with loose coupled wagons on a line with many, many, short and steep gradients.

Which it probably has!

All Dave’s work. Scenery to follow! Then..... it’s 1963!

The latest; things begin to take shape at Baseboard Dave’s. Hopefully near the end now! And it’ll be 1963 again.....