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Just looking at them, the gap between coupled coaches is huge. Is there a way of amending the couplings, I wonder, to close that enormous gap?

Interesting; sure it’s not the 1964 one? My info was always that while the last passenger-carrying ones were withdrawn in 1963, the IRRS used one in ‘64 for a CCR jaunt. If the above actually is in ‘65, the coach is already withdrawn and will have been used by unofficial “local arrangement”…. Last public use, though, early '63.

The wisdom of good quality colour film in the 1950s and 60s may be seen with many colour slides from the period today. Some retain vibrant colour, others (like most of Cyril Fry’s!) were taken on cheap film and have deteriorated since. But our intrepid photographer in the south west in summer 1958, used only the best of materials when he captured the 11:40 mixed making a spirited departure from Dugort Harbour one sunny July day…… Once it gets to Tully Fish Siding, it will pick up three wagons of marine produce - which will end up in Farringdon Market in London less than 13 hours later, via North Wall and Holyhead.

Exactly, 100%.

They wouldn't have run together anyway, so the BnT one won't be lonely! The passenger-carrying ones (all green) were withdrawn before any of the surviving vans became black and tan.......

I'd love to see this in the flesh. One of my favourite layouts.

Woohoooo!!

As the evening sun sets, the stock for tomorrow’s mainline train reposes in the carriage siding at Castletown West. Once the one-coach local comes in from Dugort Harbour in the morning, it’ll be off to the junction to connect with the Tralee and Cork trains….

100% right. No matter what way they want to dress this up, it’s a hugely backward step. For years I commuted from Lisburn to Central, and later Botanic; occasionally Bangor. It would have been much more awkward now. Imagine if overnight ALL Greystones & Bray Darts stopped dead at Connolly, and so did all Drogheda, Malahide & Howth trains. I don’t buy any of the weak arguments advanced by the Ulster Translink Authority as to the impossibility of through services - at least in rush hour. In the late 1940s, jhbSenior was asked to conduct an engineering feasibility study into the construction of the direct curve from the Central line into GVS. He concluded that while tight, it was possible. Nothing came of it, as the powers-that-were considered it to be IMpossible. Thirty years later they did it. When I made my first visit back to GC last week, since about 1960 when I recall walking about weed-green sidings; I had a look at the track layout. It IS at least theoretically possible to have a through service.

I mentioned that I have one quite sharp curve, and I wondered what these things will make of it. I don’t know the actual radius so I can’t comment on actual figures, but a six-wheeler heating van I have, plus a DSER 6-wheeler by the late Ken McElhinney, seem to be ok with it…. we’ll see! Yes, agreed, a six-wheeler will, by design, look less kindly upon sharp curves…

100% - it is on Youghal sumner excursions that they saw their very last use, in 1962. There were some still in Cork the following spring, on occasional secondary duties. Among the other very last places they were to be seen, usually mixed in with elderly bogies nit much younger, were the branch sets for Ballinrobe, Ballaghaderreen and Loughrea, and Leopardstown race days on the Harcourt St line. By summer ‘63 they would never carry passengers again, bar one on an early ‘64 IRRS jaunt over the Cork City line. However half a dozen of their full brake vans saw service until 1968/9; hence the single model of one of these in black’n’tan. At least three of these vans got the BnT livery - possibly 4. Some of their elderly bogie cousins - some corridor, some non-corridor - saw out the 1960s and into the early 70s, by now in BnT. These were used on summer north Dublin commuter area seaside excursions, and in Cork, boy! - on Youghal excursions and extras on the Cobh line. They were retired just about the time the “supertrain” livery was appearing, though it’s unlikely such a prestigiously decorated loco ever hitched up to them. RIP, venerable old wooden carriages of character, RIP musty seat cushions, leaking roofs and rattly droplights on windows you could open; you have earned your rest (except, happily, at Downpatrick); superseded by customer tubes instead of passenger trains….

Interesting you say that, Edo - I have one fairly sharp curve on my layout - hope they don't object to it! Nice to see the contrast between the pre-1955 and post-1955 green liveries. Naturally, after 1955, not all were repainted at once, and a handful saw out the early 60s still in the older version - so mixing the two up is perfectly doable within the realms of accuracy.....

Selling these for a friend, who asks for €30 for the lot. Three container wagons also, standard Hornby stuff. Bogie wagons €5 each.

All still in traffic.

Indeed. When I spoke to them they were struggling with 14,000 orders. I think that no matter how long any of have to wait, we just have to “suck it up”, as it were. To be fair to Rails O.S., that’s a monumental workload to take on by any standard. I personally await about nine or ten of these things. When I was initially speaking to Hattons about developing these, they told me the more liveries the better, in terms of production economics. The only reason they didn’t do the GSR one straight away was that they wanted to test the water with the CIE ones. Prior to closure I had sent them details of the two relevant GSR liveries for these, and they were taking the view that if the CIE ones were successful, they would then do GSR and GSWR - three more choices (five if they had been bogies!)…

Could we offer that guy a room in Downpatrick station, rent free?

No, only customers. No goods, no freight and no passengers. In the past, passengers travelled by train from railway stations. They bought their ticket from a ticket clerk or member of staff. Today, customers travel in silver-coloured tubes from “train stations”. Few have staff, but the bigger ones have customer service representatives…………!! Thus, steam has gone, goods trains have as good as gone, passsnger trains have gone, and instead we have customer tubes scooting along the lines…… (or ambling, if it’s the DSER…)

My 2nd cousin was their science teacher......he'll prob be at the show as he's an enthusiast too - and he's 100!

The plain green lasted a lot longer on secondary main line stock and all narrow gauge stock than on the main system. On visits I made between 1978 and 1985, almost all narrow gauge stock was still green, though there were at least 2 or 3 geranium & cream on the Pinzgau line. But the Gmund system still had all-green coaches. All locos in that period were plain geranium red. There were still quite a few four-wheelers in traffic on some lines - the Gmund system and the Grunberg line, as far as I recall. On the Pinzgau line, all wagons that I saw in use were bogies. I travelled in the cab of a mixed from Krimml to Zell, and he had three bogie coaches on (green), and a bogie van. He stopped at Mittersill and added at least 3 more bogie vans. Good bit of shunting.... The brown livery came later and seems to have been confined to touristy lines, like the electric one.

100%, yes. I recall similar conversations about the total, final, end of steam in the 1960s.... and we all moved on! With nothing but freight and PW work almost certain to be ahead of any locomotives, one wonders how many they would buy, and would NIR have a couple of their own, or just borrow from IE when needed? Or - the unthinkable; a resumption of Belfast - Derry goods traffic? Timber from Donegal to Waterford?

Missed that one so far - must look! But that will be one of the last Belfast & Northern Counties ones. I think the older of those two could be doctored. The actual GWR one is too long, though if a good half of the balcony end could be chopped off, we're in with a chance. But the side and end detail (not to mention the two wagon doors) would require so much alteration that I'd say a scratch build might be easier - and even quicker. I just had this notion about one of these things being "stranded" down in the fictitious world of Dugort Harbour and lasting to the 1960s....!

Looks amazing, George, just what I would have been at had it not been for Murphy bringing out 141s, and SSM doing an 800 kit! I sold my entire 009 collection to fund that...... an Dugort Harbour followed. Your layout shows just how much you can get in a small space with 009 (or N, I suppose). Good to see this developing - the station building is superb and the whole thing looks very realistic. Your carriage liveries have the final days of well-kept and cared for OBB narrow gauge (1990s!) to a T. Brings back footplate memories of 0.6.2Ts on the Grunberg line in 1979! But the other lines were all diesel or electric then, with Gmund mixed steam and diesel.

Good thinking, folks! A bit of tinkering could make a good approximation out of one of those - thanks.

Saw this in a picture taken at Rosslare some time between 1910 and probably at latest 1915 or 1920. I was aware of this type of van, but rarely do decent pictures of them turn up. They were much less common here than in Brexitstan, but a few lines had them - a combined goods van and brake van, known just as brake vans here, but in Britain they also called them, I believe, "road vans". I seem to recall seeing a kit somewhere, some time, of a model of a British equivalent of one of these, but I have no idea where - does anyone have any idea? They are slightly longer in wheelbase than a conventional van of that era, but certainly could not be described as "long wheelbase", like, for example a British Railways standard brake van, or a Great Western "Toad" with its distinctive wide balcony. In terms of combined guards' and goods vans there was, of course, the famous No. 5 (5J to the GSR) on the Courtmac branch in Wishht Caark, boy, but that thing was actually short wheelbase and was only a 7 ton van. The Sligo Leitrim, with its myriad of the non-standard, had some sort of equivalent, but it looked nothing remotely like this design. I have an idea the GNR had vans of this nature a very long time ago. The BNCR had short-to-standard wheelbase vans of this type too, but again a different design entirely. At least a few made it into the 1950s. I think there was at least one knocking about the Derry Central area until that all closed. As far as the GSR was concerned, it is almost certain that these had disappeared before 1930, so unsuitable for CIE days - but it would be interesting to have a model of one, or something close, if anyone knows of a suitable kit.

WOOO HOOO!!!! Well said!