CIE Weedkiller train

[Hunslet 102]

Hi all

 

Looking for some more information,photo's if possible,of the CIE weedkiller train from the early 70s.This is the one in use before replacement in 1978,I am wanting to do a model of it for my layout as it made regular visits every year to the NIR system.I have a couple of photo references of it in action,but as most of these are of the loco's mainly,the wagons are more background shots.Any help greatly appreciated.

[Garfield]

I think there was a photo posted here not so long ago of that weedkiller being hauled by a Sulzer, but for the life of me I can't remember exactly where...

[Hunslet 102]

Thanks garfield,that photo along with a couple behind an NIR DH class are my main reference points.From the angles,there is a 30 ton brake van,a closed van,the weedspray coach which looks like a bogie type wagon that actually looks like a cut down steam engine!,if that makes sense.There appears to be a couple of other wagons,which are out of focus,one could be an open type and one looks like an ancient wagon of some sort.

[wiggy]

Is this any good to you.?

 

http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/471-Irish-Railways-Volume-8-Black-amp-White-Stills

 

There is a shot of a weed spray around 1.30

There are quite a few other photo's on the DVD (Vol 8) of weed spray trains but not sure if in your era.

Hope this helps.

Wiggy.

[Hunslet 102]

Thanks Wiggy,but that is the version that replaced the version I am hoping to model,which is the early 70s,that version started service around 1978.

[Magpie1951]

Thanks Wiggy,but that is the version that replaced the version I am hoping to model,which is the early 70s,that version started service around 1978.

 

Here is a few links to some pics of the early spray train:

firts pic courtesy of the Great Southern Trail website

 

and here is a link to pic found on Geograph.ie

http://www.geograph.ie/photo/2108451

and a link to another one thanks to Eiretrains.com

http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway%20Stations%20D/Dalkey/slides/Dalkey_20101126_001_CC_JA.html

There is a couple of better pics knock around somewhere on the net but I can't remember where. Hope these help?

Edited January 20, 2013 by Magpie1951

[WRENNEIRE]

Any use?

Lisburn 1975

[Glenderg]

Here is a few links to some pics of the early spray train:

firts pic courtesy of the Great Southern Trail website

 

and here is a link to pic found on Geograph.ie

http://www.geograph.ie/photo/2108451

and a link to another one thanks to Eiretrains.com

http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway%20Stations%20D/Dalkey/slides/Dalkey_20101126_001_CC_JA.html

There is a couple of better pics knock around somewhere on the net but I can't remember where. Hope these help?

 

Excellent find magpie! What a motley collection of wagons! Dave, that's the funniest I've seen - 1 bobble hatted lad doin the work, and the other four holding up shovels. Nice find!

[WRENNEIRE]

The aloofness of the chap furthest from camera would suggest "management" to me

Also meant to comment on the thread: "Weedkiller"

Legend!

[Mayner]

The aloofness of the chap furthest from camera would suggest "management" to me

Also meant to comment on the thread: "Weedkiller"

Legend!

 

Keeping well up-wind of the spray no flies on that lad!

 

J & j Cottell's site have a photo of the guts of the train when it was stored at Ballybrophy http://jandjcottrell.zenfolio.com/p487224326/h2e392ac#h2e392ac basically a bogie tank wagon with a steam loco cab at one end & another bogie wagon with a shed at one end.

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

That a great website John

[enniscorthyman]

I have often wondered about this weed killer train,as photos

of it were rare enough showing what followed behind the loco.

There is a cover shot of b103 hauling said train on the Tralee

line on a IRRS journal from October 1990,and again hard to

make out the make up of the train.Its nice to now see these

wagons for a change.

[jhb171achill]

The coach on that was identical to Downpatrick's 836; in fact I think that one may be 837. Built 1902, GSWR.

[Hunslet 102]

Absolutely superb information and photo's of the weedkiller train.

 

Magpie1951-thanks for the photo's,the first one I had not seen before and is the clearest view of the weedkiller train in action that I have seen.

 

Mayner-that is a superb website and the linked photo is fantastic,that will be a great help and reference for a model of this unique train,many thanks for posting

 

Wrenneire-your attached photo is of NIRs weedkilling train from the 70s that they used mainly on the Antrim branch,thanks for posting.I have actually done a model of that train as per the photo,must stick up a pic on my layout thread 'scenes from the 70s'.These trains as far as I am concerned have always and will always be weedkilling trains,weed control train sounds like a management political correct speech term that some idiot got paid thousands for,maybe the same one who has designed the new logo!!

 

JHB-any photo's of that coach close-up?

 

Thanks again for all the help guys.

[jhb171achill]

Hunslet, this might help, and if you want to get a chance to see it close up it will be in traffic at Downpatrick on 17th March.

 

http://www.downrail.co.uk/gallery1/harveycathedral08.jpg

 

http://www.cs.vintagecarriagestrust.org/se/CarriageInfo.asp?Ref=3336

 

http://www.downrail.co.uk/gallery1/inchcurve.jpg

[Hunslet 102]

Thanks for the photo's JHB,again they will help with the model.Would love to see the coach up close but not sure when I will next be back in Northern Ireland.

[jhb171achill]

No probs Hunslet gimme a shout when you are! If DCDR is closed I can still make arrangements for you to visit.

[Eiretrains]

I've a couple of close photographs taken of 836 during my forays into Downpatrick. Fascinating to read it was the same type of carriage as used on the old fashioned weed sprayer. That particular carriage carried the departmental number 530A if that's of any use, and once had one of those side name boards above the windows (pre-78 at least), though the lettering was missing - the original title long since forgotten!

[Garfield]

Keeping well up-wind of the spray no flies on that lad!

 

J & j Cottell's site have a photo of the guts of the train when it was stored at Ballybrophy http://jandjcottrell.zenfolio.com/p487224326/h2e392ac#h2e392ac basically a bogie tank wagon with a steam loco cab at one end & another bogie wagon with a shed at one end.

 

I'd be interested to know the background behind that bogie tank... has a very American look to it.

[Hunslet 102]

No probs Hunslet gimme a shout when you are! If DCDR is closed I can still make arrangements for you to visit.

 

Thanks JHB,hopefully I will be able to take you up on your offer this year as you offered me the same arrangements last year for a visit to photograph the ex NCC crane,but I was unable to make it.Still looking to do a model of the crane so still interested in getting close-up photo's of it.

[Mayner]

An old Triang http://www.tri-angrailways.org.uk/gwr.htm or possibly the current Hornby Clerestory coaches would be a good basis for the coach. The old Triang coaches used to be popular for kit bashing this style of stock, Tim Cramer wrote a Railway Modeller article on Irish Modelling in the early 70s which included a kit bash of a Triang Clerestory into an arc-roofed ex-GSWR 45' non corridor.

 

While the bogie tank wagon was probably home made on a 45' ex-MGWR rail wagon chassis a Triang or Athearn old style bogie tank car would look the part.

[Hunslet 102]

I've a couple of close photographs taken of 836 during my forays into Downpatrick. Fascinating to read it was the same type of carriage as used on the old fashioned weed sprayer. That particular carriage carried the departmental number 530A if that's of any use, and once had one of those side name boards above the windows (pre-78 at least), though the lettering was missing - the original title long since forgotten!

 

Eiretrains-thanks for that extra info with the carriage number.It would be good to see the couple of close-up photo's that you have if you were ok for posting them up.

 

This is turning into a very interesting and informative thread,thanks to all for the info.

[Hunslet 102]

An old Triang http://www.tri-angrailways.org.uk/gwr.htm or possibly the current Hornby Clerestory coaches would be a good basis for the coach. The old Triang coaches used to be popular for kit bashing this style of stock, Tim Cramer wrote a Railway Modeller article on Irish Modelling in the early 70s which included a kit bash of a Triang Clerestory into an arc-roofed ex-GSWR 45' non corridor.

 

While the bogie tank wagon was probably home made on a 45' ex-MGWR rail wagon chassis a Triang or Athearn old style bogie tank car would look the part.

 

Thanks John-that coach looks like a good starting point and will check out the old style bogie tank cars,maybe Garfield could throw some light on an American type option?

 

Cheers again lads

[Eiretrains]

Eiretrains-thanks for that extra info with the carriage number.

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No problem, PM sent