Irish Railway News ‘Enterprise Watch’

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29 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Several points; after decades of conservative rule over thyere, gopvernment investments in any public infrastructure projects is not exactly littered with largesse; and in order to try to counteract conservative votes, like in many other countries, the parties who represented the left are veeriong more and more towards insipid silence, mediocrity, and hand-wringing; witness the Dems in the USA too, who are now considerably mo9re right-leaning than pre-Reagan republicans!

But to stick to the railway theme, the British still are "good" at railways, just perhaps not so much in some areas, though arguably a great deal better in others. None of the preceding posts are really about the railways themselves, or to back to topic, the Enterprise. Ever since railways had to be nationalised some 75 years ago, as a result of not being able to pay their way as businesses, they have been entirely dependent on state funding. Investment in railways, or lack of it, is a matter for a government - be it a British, Irish, EU or Timbuktooean one; rather than a lack of any will or skill within the railway itself. 

A big problem you have is that the state has lost a lot of the wherewithal to build public infrastructure, having privatised everything during the neoliberal revolution of the 80s. You can see this here in Ireland. We're pretty good at building roads; there are always roads being built. But we haven't built big infrastructure projects like hospitals or railways, and so they often end up being expensive disasters with a great degree of rent seeking going on. Interestingly, Madrid built a metro system very successfully by effectively designing the construction around the election cycle so politicians could 'cash in' on various tranches of the metro being completed (say a section built every 5 years, lined up with election cycles). A pragmatic solution!

I'd argue the tide has shifted, at least in Britain (and many other European countries), toward the state having a more significant role in the ownership of public goods. The slow beginnings of this can be seen in the UK with renationalisation (the clunkily named Great British Railways) along with the constant backlash against private water, utility companies etc. 

Britain suffers the pioneers curse. First to do it, stuck with ancient infrastructure (Same as ourselves!) and thus restricted by it. It comes with advantages of course, they have an enormous expanse of underground tunnels since the 1860s, whereas some 50 years after proposal, all we have to show for our metro is part of the airport designed to accommodate and 500 million euro spent on nothing. 

Onto the Enterprise. The Belfast main line is one of, if not the busiest line in the country, with its southern terminus being the most busy station in the country. With major improvement works comes major delays, so on and so forth. Ultimately, I think they may have to just bite the bullet and go either quad track or with a separate HSR running in parallel. Both have advantages and disadvantages, but it certainly cannot continue as is. Widening the viaduct up towards Clontarf and onward would be a 19th century slightly suspect railway developers job!

The US is a different kettle of fish of course.

 

 

[Mayner]

I guess the big question is whether demand for Commuter and Intercity passenger services will continue to increase in this era of instability and technological change. 

In Wellington and to a lesser degree Auckland rail passenger numbers dropped significantly in recent years despite significant rolling stock and infrastructure investment https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360717804/frustrations-all-round-train-patronage-plummets#:~:text=Train trips taken on the,during the past financial year.

While the article writes about road improvements (Transmission Gully), reliability issues and more working from home, fewer people are now commuting to work in Wellington as a result of public and private sector cuts/redundencies--estimated 5000 Public Sector redundencies in the City since 2023.  

When I worked for a Irish Government agency over 20 years ago, the policy was to "de-centralise" Departments and Agencies from Dublin to the Provinces until someone realised the potential economic shock of transferring several thousand public servants and their families from Dublin to the Provinces. Ironically although based in Head Office in the days before high speed internet, I teleworked successfully from home for several years using a dial-up free phone number only visiting the office when absolutely necessary. One of the main issues with remote working is the impact of empty office blocks on the Financial Sector (Pension Funds, Insurance Companies) and city centre cafe's and other retailers.

Back in the 90s when I worked in the UK construction sector my next project was to be the re-development of the Bullring (Birmingham) following the successful completion of the Watford Harlequin Centre, unfortunately our client a major UK Insurer made a £100m underwriting loss the previous year as a result of the "Great Storm of 1987" and I was out of work and the project indifinitely postponed.

I returned to Ireland several years later during which I stuck mainly to industrial and warehousing projects, with one 'final" Dublin office block several years before the Irish Commercial Property bubble burst in 2009. Having weathered two property recessions the Irish Public Sector appeared more stable!

Interestingly following the debacle with the "Mini-CTC project of the Mid 90s--IE designed and managed the majority of its infrastructure projects in-house using specialist contractors where necessary, PW & SE (Signalling and Electrical) in house. Interestingly a Drogheda track gang carried out the Heuston track layout re-modelling having successfully completed the Northern Line upgrade, though like the MK3 Carriage builders of the 1980s, I guess many of the people the managed and carried out the infrastructure improvements of the late 90s-20s have retired.

One of the more interesting aspects of returning from the UK in the 90s was the capability of Irish design and engineering firms and civil engineering contractors to undertake large and complex projects as a result of a combination of work undertaken with both Irish and Overseas clients, there is not a lot of difference from a civil engineering/construction project between building a road and a railway. Roadbridge an Irish firm successfully carried out civil works on the UKs HS2

[GSR 800]

6 hours ago, Mayner said:

I guess the big question is whether demand for Commuter and Intercity passenger services will continue to increase in this era of instability and technological change. 

In Wellington and to a lesser degree Auckland rail passenger numbers dropped significantly in recent years despite significant rolling stock and infrastructure investment https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/360717804/frustrations-all-round-train-patronage-plummets#:~:text=Train trips taken on the,during the past financial year.

While the article writes about road improvements (Transmission Gully), reliability issues and more working from home, fewer people are now commuting to work in Wellington as a result of public and private sector cuts/redundencies--estimated 5000 Public Sector redundencies in the City since 2023.  

When I worked for a Irish Government agency over 20 years ago, the policy was to "de-centralise" Departments and Agencies from Dublin to the Provinces until someone realised the potential economic shock of transferring several thousand public servants and their families from Dublin to the Provinces. Ironically although based in Head Office in the days before high speed internet, I teleworked successfully from home for several years using a dial-up free phone number only visiting the office when absolutely necessary. One of the main issues with remote working is the impact of empty office blocks on the Financial Sector (Pension Funds, Insurance Companies) and city centre cafe's and other retailers.

Back in the 90s when I worked in the UK construction sector my next project was to be the re-development of the Bullring (Birmingham) following the successful completion of the Watford Harlequin Centre, unfortunately our client a major UK Insurer made a £100m underwriting loss the previous year as a result of the "Great Storm of 1987" and I was out of work and the project indifinitely postponed.

I returned to Ireland several years later during which I stuck mainly to industrial and warehousing projects, with one 'final" Dublin office block several years before the Irish Commercial Property bubble burst in 2009. Having weathered two property recessions the Irish Public Sector appeared more stable!

Interestingly following the debacle with the "Mini-CTC project of the Mid 90s--IE designed and managed the majority of its infrastructure projects in-house using specialist contractors where necessary, PW & SE (Signalling and Electrical) in house. Interestingly a Drogheda track gang carried out the Heuston track layout re-modelling having successfully completed the Northern Line upgrade, though like the MK3 Carriage builders of the 1980s, I guess many of the people the managed and carried out the infrastructure improvements of the late 90s-20s have retired.

One of the more interesting aspects of returning from the UK in the 90s was the capability of Irish design and engineering firms and civil engineering contractors to undertake large and complex projects as a result of a combination of work undertaken with both Irish and Overseas clients, there is not a lot of difference from a civil engineering/construction project between building a road and a railway. Roadbridge an Irish firm successfully carried out civil works on the UKs HS2

For Irish Rail, passenger numbers are booming. https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/06/24/cie-passenger-numbers-climbed-to-pre-covid-high-during-2024/

https://www.irishnews.com/news/northern-ireland/belfast-to-dublin-train-numbers-jump-50-since-introduction-of-hourly-services-LIBSFAPPKBAIHFTKNONSBJYPPU/

Public transport as a whole has increased quite significantly: https://www.transportforireland.ie/news/its-thanks-a-million-from-nta-as-passenger-numbers-surge-to-a-new-high/

Every intercity train I've been on, no matter what the hour, has been near or at capacity, often crammed with people standing. IR has been trying to keep up with demand but the infrastructure bottlenecks are leading to delays. I think someone suggested terminating Sligo services at docklands, honestly may have to happen to relieve Connolly at some point to allow for improvement works.

The question of 'will this last' economically is always a wise one to consider, but despite 'work from home' commuting continues to rise and rise. Many in my generation would not want to work from home full time (I certainly would not!) Ultimately even if it all went tits up, the Belfast line will still need significant works as is.

My experience is not in infrastructure projects, but Irish Rail does a lot of refurbishment and improvement work in-house, with the assistance or inclusion of contractors. Other projects are left to contractors entirely. Like all things it comes down to finding good people to do the job.

I am far more optimistic about continued strong demand for rail transport across the nation than anything else. I am more pessimistic that infrastructure will be built to accommodate. A no-brainer would be double-tracking to Mullingar or even Longford. Delays at Maynooth and Killucan 'waiting in the loop' add an extra 10-15 minutes to every journey at least. Every bridge is built to accommodate it, though many of the rail bridges (over roads) were singled and would have to be replaced. No need for expensive land acquisitions. 

With Dart+ West this will become even more necessary; you'll be stuck behind a Dart out as far as Maynooth, time will have to be made up thereafter. Perhaps someday the long-suffering Midland will get the love it deserves!

 

Edited 9 hours ago by GSR 800

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07:50 Dublin Connolly to Belfast Grand Central due 09:58

 

07:50 Dublin Connolly to Belfast Grand Central due 09:58 is being delayed at Drogheda and is now expected to be 25 minutes late.

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