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IRM Latest! Park Royal Update - Production Underway!

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4 minutes ago, Metrovik said:

Seriously tempted to pick up one of these for my little layout now. Even if it'll take up most of the platform!

Bet your platform is still longer than this! Prototype for everything.   

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Many thanks for the update, @Warbonnet

I was wondering whether IRM have any more photos of the green ones? Especially closeups of the livery differences (black vs green ends etc) and the different types of doors. 

SKU:IRM1212 and SKU:IRM1213 which have green ends are listed as "1955-58 Period. As built, with inward opening doors."

The 2D artwork for these two SKUs shows the different doors but as yet I don't think I've seen any sample models with the inward opening doors. The latest photo updates do show a carriage with green ends but the livery is applied to a model with the later type of doors (i.e. with the window positioned lower, and the bottom of the door flush with the bottom of the bodyside). Is it still planned to represent the different door types? 

Also, I understand that there were some adjustments made to the model paint spec and it would be interesting to see how the green colour compares to A42 and A46. 
 

This photo dated 1961 shows the first coach with original doors, but later light green livery with black ends. The second coach has modified doors, while the fourth (in dark green livery) has the original doors.

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I do want to order a couple more, but would like to make an informed choice. I'm always happy to do some modifications and repainting though.

Many thanks,

Paul

(I did ask a version of this question in the Park Royal thread a few days ago, but had no response. Sorry to duplicate but hopefully it will get seen here)

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4 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

Many thanks for the update, @Warbonnet

I was wondering whether IRM have any more photos of the green ones? Especially closeups of the livery differences (black vs green ends etc) and the different types of doors. 

SKU:IRM1212 and SKU:IRM1213 which have green ends are listed as "1955-58 Period. As built, with inward opening doors."

The 2D artwork for these two SKUs shows the different doors but as yet I don't think I've seen any sample models with the inward opening doors. The latest photo updates do show a carriage with green ends but the livery is applied to a model with the later type of doors (i.e. with the window positioned lower, and the bottom of the door flush with the bottom of the bodyside). Is it still planned to represent the different door types? 

Also, I understand that there were some adjustments made to the model paint spec and it would be interesting to see how the green colour compares to A42 and A46. 
 

This photo dated 1961 shows the first coach with original doors, but later light green livery with black ends. The second coach has modified doors, while the fourth (in dark green livery) has the original doors.

image.png

I do want to order a couple more, but would like to make an informed choice. I'm always happy to do some modifications and repainting though.

Many thanks,

Paul

(I did ask a version of this question in the Park Royal thread a few days ago, but had no response. Sorry to duplicate but hopefully it will get seen here)

Hi Paul,

Many thanks. These were just updated paint samples to demonstrate the paint shades and consistency we requested. When it comes to shades of green, the green will be the same regardless of black or green ends. The example in your image above of the first coach is actually a D177 Mainline version, not a D176 suburban coach. 

When we get a full set of production samples around Christmas we will be able to showcase the full range, including differing doors between coaches.

Cheers!

Fran 

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Hi Fran,

That’s great, many thanks for the update. 
I’ll wait and see what you have for is around Christmas then. 
 

Incidentally I did think the first coach was a suburban. I see no evidence of toilet pipework or frosted windows, but I do see the backs of the longitudinal seats in the vestibules.

I must say though that I’ve found early photos of the main line versions very hard to find. Maybe the external differences were more subtle than I’m expecting. Do you have any 1950s pics of the main line Park Royals that you could share here? 

Cheers,

Paul
 

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This IRRS photo dated 22 October 1955 does definitely show a main line Park Royal when new, although it only sneaks into the edge of the photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53506631651

Features that are quite obvious in this image are the toilet tank pipework and steps on the ends, also the frosted toilet window. The door is open (inwards) in this image. The livery appears to be green with a pale waist line and silver underframe, apparently the same as the suburban Park Royals. The number is 142x, but I can't be sure of the last digit.

This may be the same vehicle on the same occasion: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53507054260

So far I have struggled to find other photos of main line Park Royals in new condition - and I have been looking! I confess that I think the silver livery theory is unlikely (because all the other 'silver' coaches were clad in unpainted aluminium, so they were just left unpainted, but Park Royals were steel-clad and would have had to be painted silver. Not impossible, maybe one was done as a trial, but I've yet to see any convincing evidence.) 

 

Suburban Park Royals didn't have the water pipes or steps on the ends (as correctly modelled by IRM, of course). The vestibule windows were clear, and the back of the bench seats in the vestibule are clearly visible through them - shown nicely in this photo from Ernie:

GMK090 CIE 1955-xx Park Royal 10'-6'' Suburban open 3rd C191

And from the opposite angle, this IRRS photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53506776188

Looking at the model photos shown above, I think I might have to do a bit of modelling to add those bench seat backs 😀

 

 

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