Q&A From Down Under

[FrankS]

Hi Guys,

Thank you for the warm welcome. I thought I'd better change the thread title for the first of no doubt numerous Questions to come ( Oh! No, not that bloddy idiot from Australia again

Q. CIE liveries - Can you tell me when the CIE Supertrain livery came in, please ? I was thinking of modelling mid-60's with Black & Tan liveried locos, but maybe I could stretch it a bit.

 

Q. Anyone recomend a book/video which covers CIE era diesels , please. I've been very disapointed with several book & video purchases which purport to cover the transition of CIE from steam to diesel in the 60's, but, in fact concentrate almost exclusively on steam - not that I've got anything against steam

 

Q. Sugar Beet Traffic - I seem to remember a video concentrating on suger beet, but now I can't seem to find it. Anyone help ?

 

Cheers Pat (Frank) Savery, from w-a-y down south.

[Eiretrains]

Q. CIE liveries - Can you tell me when the CIE Supertrain livery came in, please ? I was thinking of modelling mid-60's with Black & Tan liveried locos, but maybe I could stretch it a bit.

 

Q. Anyone recomend a book/video which covers CIE era diesels , please. I've been very disapointed with several book & video purchases which purport to cover the transition of CIE from steam to diesel in the 60's, but, in fact concentrate almost exclusively on steam - not that I've got anything against steam

 

Q. Sugar Beet Traffic - I seem to remember a video concentrating on suger beet, but now I can't seem to find it. Anyone help ?

The CIE Supertrain livery came in 1972, same time the Mk2 coaching stock entered service. There was still Black & tan liveried locos in service up to the end of the 1970s; by 1980 everything was Supertrain.

 

Regarding books, the recently published Rails Through the West would be right up your street, mostly 1970s and nearly all colour.

Also Irish Metro-Vick Diesels is equally good book, covering 1960s-1970s and onwards. Both books are published by Colourpoint, the latter although out of print can still be picked up.

 

For Videos, Markle Associates have published several DVDs, featuring some archive footage of CIE from 1970s onwards.

They are also the producer of the suger beet DVD you're probably thinking of.

 

I'm sure there are other sources. One thing though is that there little published in the way of CIE in the late 1960s diesel era, but the above would be very useful anyway.

Edited May 7, 2012 by Eiretrains

[jhb171achill]

FrankS - mid sixties is an interesting era. You can have the very last of the green coaches up to '67, 121's in grey, the long-gone A, G and K class; B101's (Sulzers), coaches of laminate, Park Royal, Craven and Bredin origins, plus bogie mail coaches and 4 and 6 wheel passenger vans, cattle specials, mixed trains (a la Loughrea) and black or black'n'tan A and C class. No 071's - you'd have to await 1976 for that, although the beauty of a model railway layout is you can re-write history if you want!

 

I always thought a goods-based layout based on somewhere like Newcastle West or Tuam in the mid 60s would be fascinating... mine would be awash with black'n'tan 141s......

[Mayner]

Newcastle West what a suggestion! Two stations in one every, a shunting mans dream as every train had to reverse directing loose coupled freights would have to be re-marshalled.

 

The North Kerry and Limerick-Sligo line sure had some compact and interesting stations.

 

John

[FrankS]

Thank You, "Eiretrains" and answers, much appreciated, and others for comments. Recomended books & videos on order.

Now, a few more Q's If I may.

Q. When did CIE stop using brakevans?

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

and finally Q. I see I can get specialised decals/transfers from Studio Scale Models. Is there anywhere I can get a sheet of every day bog standard CIE roundels. The CIE in a circle rather than Flying Snails.

Thank you in advance for any replies.

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Thank You, "Eiretrains" and answers, much appreciated, and others for comments. Recomended books & videos on order.

Now, a few more Q's If I may.

Q. When did CIE stop using brakevans?

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

and finally Q. I see I can get specialised decals/transfers from Studio Scale Models. Is there anywhere I can get a sheet of every day bog standard CIE roundels. The CIE in a circle rather than Flying Snails.

Thank you in advance for any replies.

 

Hello Frank Weshty does a range and Steve at railtec http://www.railtec-models.com/catalog.php?search_str=cie

[Flying Scotsman 4472]

Q. I see I can get specialised decals/transfers from Studio Scale Models. Is there anywhere I can get a sheet of every day bog standard CIE roundels. The CIE in a circle rather than Flying Snails.

 

 

 

Here you go mate

 

http://www.railtec-models.com/catalog.php?type=5&gauge=4mm&xfer_region=2

[Weshty]

Thank You, "Eiretrains" and answers, much appreciated, and others for comments. Recomended books & videos on order.

Now, a few more Q's If I may.

Q. When did CIE stop using brakevans?

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

and finally Q. I see I can get specialised decals/transfers from Studio Scale Models. Is there anywhere I can get a sheet of every day bog standard CIE roundels. The CIE in a circle rather than Flying Snails.

Thank you in advance for any replies.

 

Hi Frank,

I have the roundals available in a pack

plain white

black

yellow roundal with white centre centre writing

etc.

various sizes.

 

Regards

Weshty

[Guest hidden-agenda]

Frank do you have any Ausi model trains and who would be manufacturer of them.

Regards Gareth.

[Eiretrains]

Thank You, "Eiretrains" and answers, much appreciated, and others for comments. Recomended books & videos on order.

Now, a few more Q's If I may.

Q. When did CIE stop using brakevans?

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

No problem! Brakevans on CIE goods trains largely finished up in the late 1970s when the loose coupled stock was withdrawn. One exception though were sugar beet trains which retained brakevans until 1985, when the dedicated beet wagons were upgraded.

After that brakevans only appeared on short trip workings where a van was deemed a useful necessity, mostly for staff and sighting purposes. The last example which regularly employed a van were the short trip workings of diesel fuel between Dublin Connolly and North Wall yard, which finished in 2008.

 

Sorry can't think of any site which has dedicated, dated, freight/goods stock info. Anyone else?

[railtec-transfers]

[quote=FrankS;2958Is there anywhere I can get a sheet of every day bog standard CIE roundels. The CIE in a circle rather than Flying Snails.

Thank you in advance for any replies.

 

Hi there Frank,

 

Here at Railtec Models we are an established manufacturer of water-slide decals for all transport types in all gauges, and we certainly have the decals in stock that you require. Packs which may be of interest are:

 

http://www.railtec-models.com/img/5605-1.jpg

http://www.railtec-models.com/img/5606-1.jpg

http://www.railtec-models.com/img/5607-1.jpg

 

To order these packs please feel free to head directly to this page:

http://railtec-models.com/catalog.php?search_str=broken+wheel

 

There are renowned members on this site who have used our decals and I'm sure there are plenty of photos available to demonstrate their quality. You may also see examples of our transfers on a number of items which appear at Irish rail exhibitions in addition to some RTR models from the likes of Silver Fox etc. Should you wish any custom decals then we do also offer this service at very reasonable prices. In the interim please don't hesitate to let us know if we may be of further assistance.

[minister_for_hardship]

Q. Is there anywhere a date guide/info on CIE freight stock liveries? I've scoured the internet without much success.

 

There is/was a small pocket guide that may come up on Fleabay on occasion, Locomotives & Rolling Stock of Coras Iompair Eireann and Northern Ireland Railways by Doyle, O.;Hirsch. Has useful running no's, basic stats and dates of building etc., some pics, but they tend to be smallish and in b/w only.

 

Have fond memories of WA, found orange and black GMs there too!

[Warbonnet]

Frank do you have any Ausi model trains and who would be manufacturer of them.

Regards Gareth.

 

Check out http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/index.htm and http://eurekamodels.com.au/ I believe Seamus Graham was selling Eureka Garratts at one time, saw one in action, spectacular model.

[Mayner]

Frank

 

Does anyone produces rtr models or kits of Tassie locos or stock? I spent a very enjoyable week several years ago exploring the railways while the wife was at a conference in Launceston.

 

Some excellent museums and preservation sites and interesting main line operation with large English Electric powered road switchers.

 

John

[FrankS]

Hi John,

Re:Models of Tassie locos and stock

Complicated subject

Tassie Railways are 3' 6" gauge. Here in Tassie most of the modellers use 4mm scale on 16.5mm track - which is about the same "wrongness" as using 16.5 to represent 5' 3" but the other way, If you know what I mean See:

http://www.railtasmania.com/modelling/layout.php

2nd weekend in June I'll be talking too and seeing the layout of Simon Handby (on that websie)he is in Launceston about 130km from me and models Ulverstone Station (where I live) in the 1950's. He did/does a range of cast resin kits of 4mm TGR stock including, from memory, a X class diesel body kit.. If you are interested I could find out the current situation, prices etc. Contact me on franksavery@bigpond.com.

 

Also in Tasmania and to a small extent in Queensland modellers are using Sn3 1/2 to model TGR. That's 3/16" scale on 16.5mm track. A mate of mine, Max Chandler is the chief exponent of this.

 

Also, I've just heard about a previously unknown group in Sydney who are modelling TGR in HOn3 1/2 (that's 3.5mm on 12mm track) Hon3 1/3 is popular in Queensland and Western Australia (both 3' 6" states).This is a more accurate scale/gauge ratio but the BIG clubs down here were already committed to 4mm/16.5mm before HOn3 1/2 got started and its never really caught on down here.

 

A few years ago a firm (Powerline, maybe) did a repainted SAR 830 class diesel in AN/Tasrail colours, but this was HO scale on 16.5mm track.

 

Phew !! And you thought choosing between modelling Irish Rail in 4mm scale on either 16.5mm or 21mm was complicated !

[FrankS]

On another thread, talking about the Book "Rails to the West" John "Mayner" mentions :

"There is/was a video from the same era of the Sligo-Limerick Goods shunting at Kiltimagh a B141 with a Lomac & a JCB setting back into the yard to pick up some vans,"

Anyone know which video this was, please.

Also, were the Irish 'Lowmacs' anything like the British 'Lowmacs' ?

Anyone point me towards a photo?

 

Ta muchly for any help

[skinner75]

Hi Frank,

I have the Markle dvds, and I know the clip with the 141 shunting at Kiltimagh that you mention. I'll check it out this evening & let you know which one it is from, but at a guess, I'd say it is one of the Irish Railway Archive series, Volume 1&2 deal with Dundalk and the West of Ireland (one dvd) - this would probably be the one.

Available from http://www.markle.co.uk

[Eiretrains]

That's right, it's Markle IR Archive Vol 1+2 which features that Kiltimagh clip, loco B161 in Oct 1975. There are also some more clips of the Burma Rd in Vol 5.

[FrankS]

Thanx Guys,

Order gone off to Markle by carrier pigeon

[WRENNEIRE]

Thanx Guys,

Order gone off to Markle by carrier pigeon [/QUOT

 

Frank or Proinnsias as we say here in Eire

 

Order gone off to Tasmania by Fed Ex!!

 

Enjoy

[FrankS]

Hi Guys,

Another Question, this time Re:

BELL LINE CONTAINERS

You may have read my post on making cardboard/paper kits for containers from the Internet.

There is a guy in England doing more sophisticated "kits" for containers see:

http://stores.ebay.com.au/modeltrains-online?_trksid=p4340.l2563

He does a 40' BELL LINE COntainer (see e-bay Item number: 320904429800) and is planning a 20' BELL LINE container .

He asked me If I could confirm :

Did they have white roofs ? He thinks he's seen one with a white roof.

I'll pass on any info you can give.

[WRENNEIRE]

Frank

Some time back I approached DigCom to make Bell Containers

I supplied art work and a host of Bell pictures

A few weeks later I see DigCom Bell Containers for sale on eBay

The chap I had dealt with had poached my containers and listed them himself

We had a bit of a barney over it but in the end I had to let it go

He was the UK agent for DigCom

Search for DigCom on Facebook, scroll down to my comments and you will see a little of the treatment these people give their customers

[Glenderg]

Pretty lousy behaviour Dave, no question. They would have cost you £5.00 a piece, and they're incorrect. [bELL logo was aligned with the vertical corrugations to the rear] Plus the roof was white/dirty, it appears.

 

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49934-c-rail-irish-modelling-proposal/

 

Richie.

[FrankS]

Thanks for the heads up, Dave.

Obviously not a gentleman to get too involved with.

Unfortunately there are crooks everywhere, even in this 'genteel' hobby. I'm chasing one in South Africa right now.

[jhb171achill]

The flying snail lasted on some wagons (always grey) well into the 80's - I photo'd several in Ballina about then. CIE wagons were grey all over (note - NEVER black chassis / buffers / metalwork - a common mistake as British wagons had black in those places). Roofs were grey too - but got dirty. Vacuum braked stock started being painted (again, ALL OVER) brown in the early 70s, and as loose coupled stuff was withdrawn, everything surviving became brown, so that by the mid 70s after which loose coupled stock was withdrawn, brown became the norm. By the mid 80s, wagons only carried stencilled numbers and the application of CIE roundel logos was discontinued just before IR / IE took over - under their watch (post '87), no logo has been put on wagons.

 

Exceptions were the initially blue Tara wagons, the dark green and white ammonia wagons, and the cement bubbles. The latter started in grey, then became orange, then cream with "Irish Cement" on them; latterly all over covering in cement obliterated any livery. All repaints of Taras were brown, until graffiti artists and dirt rendered them livery-less.

[FrankS]

RAILS THROUGH THE WEST ~ Limerick to Sligo ~ An Illustrated Journey on the Western Rail Corridor

WOW - What a fantastic book. My copy arrived this morning from RPSI, and I haven't put it down since. Thank you very much 'Eire Trains' for suggesting it. The collection of colour photos is amazing, the authors, Jonathon Beaumont and Barry Clarke are to be heartily congratulated.

If only there was a similar book on all the other rail corriders.

VERY highly recomended to all Irish rail enthusiasts.

Patrick F. Savery,

District Manager, Fermoy Branch, C.I.E.

[FrankS]

Hi Guys,

I was looking at the three Irish wagons produced by Shapeways. Are they as good as they look ?

 

Or, is the truth a bit less than the photos/computer graphics suggest.

They look to me as though they might be very brittle, is this so ?

What sort of glue works best ? I'm not a great fan of super glue preferring epoxy unless I want to amuse myself by glueing my fingers together

Thanx,

Patrick 'Frank' Savery,

District Manager, Fermoy Branch, C.I.E.