Da pol cie coaches

[richrua]

Are the dapol CIE like any particular coach or a complete shot in the dark?

[heirflick]

as near as you will get....

 

[DiveController]

What are these, Seamus? Suburban non-gangway laminates?

Edited November 28, 2014 by DiveController
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[aclass007]

They have a price reduction for today, Black Friday.......

 

http://www.marksmodels.com/?cid=642

 

Edit: Sorry, until Monday!

[DiveController]

They have a price reduction for today, Black Friday.......

 

http://www.marksmodels.com/?cid=642

 

Edit: Sorry, until Monday!

 

Yup, hence a very timely thread and the question above. Incidentally, the Marks Models green CIE would then obviously be the previous livery of the same coaches. So these are laminate stock in the photo?

[UP6936]

To me that one in the photo looks like GSWR compartment stock

[richrua]

Yea I saw them on offer so decided to investigate a bit.

[richrua]

Thanks for the pic

[Glenderg]

If they were legitimate 1950's stock, Noel would have posted a thread waxing lyrical about how good they were. He hasn't, so they're not.

[josefstadt]

So these are laminate stock in the photo?

 

No, the laminate stock was introduced in the mid to late 1950s, long after the types shown in the photo and there was no such thing as non-gangway laminate stock. The laminates were a development of the Park Royals, having a smoother external appearance. Like the Park Royals, the laminates were 10' 2" wide, but unlike their predecessors this width was carried through the full length of the vehicle.

 

The vehicles in the photo are ex-GSR and GS&WR stock: The one nearest the camera, 4042, dated from 1928 and was built as a 1st / 3rd Compo (50F and 48T class seats). It was 60' 0" long, had a side corridor and was gangwayed. The next coach looks like it could be 4001 - the number isn't quite clear. If it is 4001 then it was built as a 96-seat, non-corridor third class coach and dated from 1907 It was 45' 0" long. It didn't have gangways. At the time the photo was taken, both vehicles were classified as 'Secondary' stock by CIÉ, hence the 4xxx numbers. Secondary stock was a fleet of vehicles retained for use on special occasions or times of high demand - for example summer Sunday suburban services, or extra services for GAA matches.

[Mayner]

http://www.marksmodels.com/?pid=17293

 

To quote Marks Models

 

"THIS MODEL IS NOT AN ACCURATE REPRODUCTION, BUT IS SIMILAR TO COACHES OF THIS PERIOD

 

PRODUCED EXCLUSIVLY FOR MARKS MODELS"

 

The Dapol coaches basically look the part & are similar in general styling and appearance though shorter than GSR non-corridor suburban stock built in the late 20s.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[DiveController]

Thanks, josefstadt! So the Marks Models green CIE Dapol coaches would go well with I presume N class woollies and black and tans with the early diesels like A class?

[josefstadt]

DC, the green coaches could indeed go with N Class and other steam locos. They could also be used with early diesels up to and including the B141s, as the originals wouldn't all have been repainted by 1962 when the 141s arrived. The B&T versions would fit in with all diesels excluding the 071s and the 201s, but only when the locos carried the B&T livery. For example 4001, which was built in 1907 as GS&WR 3rd class No. 845, lasted in traffic until 1971, a total of 64 years!. Paint one grey and renumber it into departmental stock you probably could justify running them in a slightly later era.

[Dhu Varren]

Paint one grey and renumber it into departmental stock you probably could justify running them in a slightly later era.

 

That would be a terrible waste of money, to buy an Irish liveried coach just to paint it grey. Just buy a readily available secondhand one in BR livery and paint that one grey.

[josefstadt]

That's also an option.

[Mayner]

The Dapol Stanier suburban coaches are available in kit form direct from the manufacturer http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=177_60_87_220.

 

Once fitted with an arc roof the old Triang/Triang-Hornby 45' Clerestory coach are very close to some of the bogie coaches built by the GSWR, WLWR & CBSCR built in the late 1890s early 1900s. http://www.tri-angman.co.uk/?page_id=3&category=4&product_id=4431.

 

The longer Hornby Clerestory corridor coaches are similar in styling and outline to the stock built for the opening of the Cork-Rosslare boat train route in the early 1900s. The Rosslare coaches some of which ran on 6 wheel bogies were in service up to the early 60s, 861? remained in use on the Inchacore Taxi into the early 70s and was preserved by the RPS!

[Noel]

I presume the Hornby LMS Stanier coaches sold circa 1985-1995 are too short for these kits? I've considered respraying some of them in early black and tan and some in green, but if these kits would fit it would be interesting to try one.

[Mayner]

I presume the Hornby LMS Stanier coaches sold circa 1985-1995 are too short for these kits? I've considered respraying some of them in early black and tan and some in green, but if these kits would fit it would be interesting to try one.

 

Noel.

 

I am not sure whether you are thinking of the Dapol kits or the JM Design "Bredin" overlays.

 

The old Hornby Stanier coaches can be re-painted into a passable CIE, NCC or UTA side corridor coach.

 

The Bredin and Stanier compartment and window layout differed, the toilet compartments were in the middle on the Bredins rather than the ends with the Stanier coaches.

 

The JM Design sides are designed around the Dapol/Airfix 60' Stanier coach, designing sides to fit the Dapol & Hornby 57' Stainers would have considerably distorted the proportions.

[Noel]

Thanks John