WRENNEIRE Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Spot the non originals Experience is the key to railwayana, you need to handle them, an odd lick does no harm either Bottom one is kosher And finally: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 (edited) How does one confirm the authenticity of various pieces, particularly signs, which seem to turn up from time to time. It's hard to be sure that they are the genuine item or something that somebody has just cast a week ago Any variant of the rectangular gate notice of the format 'NOTICE Any person leaving this gate open is liable to a penalty of forty shillings' that isn't headed either GS&WR/GSR/WD&LR is 100% a fake. It should be reasonably easy to find genuine GSWR gate notices, since so many were made. The GSR ones were probably replacements for broken/missing ones or for new sets of farm crossing gates installed post '25 so hen's teeth numbers survived. WD&LR ones only on the former Waterford Dungarvan and Lismore so very small quantities cast and also harder to find, font was a bit different to the GSWR type so that's one way of telling a WD&LR fake. Irregular fonts and crappy casting with air holes and inclusions are indicators a sign may have originated from the Orient rather than closer to home...although I have seen genuine wagon plates badly cast or with letters/numbers the wrong way round or upside down as they would be less particular about those as opposed to a notice intended for the public. The DN&GR trespass notice fail above carries the name of the GS&WR secretary and references the 1903 GS&WR Act. Edited February 6, 2017 by minister_for_hardship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted February 6, 2017 Share Posted February 6, 2017 Any variant of the rectangular gate notice of the format 'NOTICE Any person leaving this gate open is liable to a penalty of forty shillings' that isn't headed either GS&WR/GSR/WD&LR is 100% a fake. . . Not strictly railwayana but I spotted this sign off the old Fenit railway track bed. No mention of a fine, but the consequences would be pretty self evident. Beautiful part of the world. What a tourism boost it might have been nowadays if it was still linked to Tralee and Killarney even by a single powered coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Thanks for that, lads. I realized the bottom LNER was probablely genuine but the CB&PR is a fake too? I'd be happy with a GS&WR one just to have a little something:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) but the CB&PR is a fake too? As genuine as a €3 note. There are some really stupid ones out there...saw one headed 'M.C.W.R.' and another 'C.I.E.R.' (sic.) for sale in various markets. As long as people keep buying this rubbish there will be a market. It's fine if you pay a little over scrap metal value for a novelty for your garden, but there will always be people trying to pass them off as the real thing to the unsuspecting. British railwayana is a minefield, signs with simulated rust and railway clocks made in India that only experts (and not general antiques trade) can tell fake from original. Edited February 7, 2017 by minister_for_hardship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Some kosher ones Wagon Plates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share Posted February 7, 2017 They are from the Stafford railway auction, did you buy any? I think the BCDR and UTA one went for far too much, and yes I did try and bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) The UTA one is quite rare, as they (a) didn't build that much, and (b) didn't put plates on everything. Even more so, "rebuild" plates were rare enough, and even more so in a place which wasn't a "works" - like Ballymena. I wouldn't be surprised if that is almost, or literally, a one-off. Edited February 7, 2017 by jhb171achill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 The UTA one is quite rare, as they (a) didn't build that much, and (b) didn't put plates on everything. It's a 'rebuild' plate, a scarcer category I imagine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 It's a 'rebuild' plate, a scarcer category I imagine? VERY much so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Correct Nelson Put in a load of bids and heard nothing back from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Cracker Minister A south coaster Is it yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) Yes. Only the face and wooden surround are original survivors, the rest had to be sourced and rebuilt. Makers were Tameside Clock Co. Have only seen marked GNRI clocks and know that marked GS&WR clocks existed, know of one that was saved...never saw it in the flesh. Examining the O'Dea collection of signal cabin interiors, it seems that the GS&W marked some of their clocks, the Midland looked like they used unmarked domestic-looking drop dial clocks with an octagonal surround rather than the usual fusée type. Edited February 9, 2017 by minister_for_hardship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 There was a restaurant in Malahide called Breakers They had a stunning GNR(I) clock with Malahide on the face Restaurant closed and no sign of the clock Owners name was Goggins, dont remember his first name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Where does one acquire these little artifacts from time to time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 They come up for auction now and again. Keep an eye on the Sheffield Railway Auction, and the Gloucester one. About once a year, Whytes in Dublin do an "ephemera" auction, with anything from old coins or clothes to railway stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Sorry a bit late but here's two more, LMS NCC gate notice And this builders plate which belongs to dad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 What's the provenance of the "Ticket Office" one, Nelson? Is it NIR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister_for_hardship Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Wow! The rare C.I.E.R. Sign! Nice find Minister £20? Meanwhile some very nice real ones again from the Stafford Auction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 [ATTACH=CONFIG]26847[/ATTACH] An unusually ghastly forgery!!!! Those standard GSWR signs seem to get quite a few company initials variations. The T & D had them. Any others (and there are lots) that I've come across are duds, but this one just about takes the biscuit! Is the seller trying to pass it off as real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Mala Mala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyguy Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Forgot about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted May 13, 2017 Share Posted May 13, 2017 Not Irish, but may be of interest to some... I have a keen interest in French railways and recently picked this up: It's a numberplate from a SNCF Y7100 class 'locotracteur' (shunter). The name 'Longeau' at the top refers to the depot it was assigned to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Hello all! Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread, it's really rather interesting to see what's out there and there are some real nice things. My collection is slowly growing with the addition of these two heavy pieces, they were both found one day while I was out and about on the beach. So took them home and cleaned them up, the GNR one wasn't in too bad of a condition, it only required some wire brushing and removal of some rust. The only downside is that one corner is broken, but it doesn't bother me really. Dad did the painting on both as he likes doing this sort of salvaging. This one is a complete mystery to me, it's obviously missing more than half which is a pity, and the rail company is probably on the missing half, but I cannot figure out the company or even the aproximate date, would anyone have any ideas? Thanks, Nelson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Nice, Nelson. Not sure they've looked like that in a very long time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 (edited) First pics: GNR(I) chair. These were produced in this form from about 1900-1953. The letters "A F" are A^^^^^ Foundry. Second pics: one half of a curved-ended MR(NCC) chair, early 20th C onwards to about 1945. Edited June 21, 2017 by jhb171achill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunluce Castle Posted June 21, 2017 Author Share Posted June 21, 2017 Oh wow thanks JB, Would never have thought that it would be MR NCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Another recent addition, once again French rather than Irish: It's an enamel platform nameboard for a station called St Hilare sur Garonne (now known as St Hilare de Lusignan), which closed in the early 1970s. Here's a view of the station as it is now on Google Street View: It's located roughly halfway between Bordeaux and Toulouse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Latest one for the man cave Big heavy yoke r 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRi1959 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I saw a lot of this sort of stuff at a car boot sale in Castlebar, Sunday morning past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 In addition to "bewaring of trains", one must beware of fakes these days, especially the standard GSWR square gate notice against trespassing, for which many fake variations seem to be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WRENNEIRE Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Its kosher, will stick up a pic of the back when the sun comes out again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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