Junctionmad Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I have acquired 3 MK1 Brake composites suitable for conversion Im struggling with constructing the Louvres/grills as they were quite fine Anyone any idea how to attack this, even microstrip is a bit oversized Thanks again dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Easy enough solution. You'll need to remove the square panel behind, then cut a corresponding square out of evergreen sheet 4525, and fit flush to the opening. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Not sure about a suitable girl to help with the conversion but for a grill I understand some on here have used these (e.g: on SSMs Sulzer kit). Side of CD/DVD case cover Top of CD/DVD case CD/DVD plastic case surfaces! Edited May 29, 2017 by Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Correct Noel, some have used them to great effect. Also, beware the length of your Mark I for donors. Full brakes for instance are shorter than composites, corridor, buffets, half brakes etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Glenderg Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The grille opening is 16.5mm wide x 14.5mm high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The CD case idea has been noted - marvellous! Also, looking for a suitable girl? Aren't we all... Do you have a budget in mind? Also, don't be lured by unsuitable ones, they may appear to be cheaper, initially, but the long-term costs may be greater than expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The CD case idea has been noted - marvellous! Not my idea. User 'Barl' came up with the ingenious idea 4 years ago: http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1485-SSM-B101-Sulzer-a-personal-review?p=22372&viewfull=1#post22372 http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/1485-SSM-B101-Sulzer-a-personal-review?p=22425&viewfull=1#post22425 I'm going to use it on my GSV conversions. The simplest ideas are often the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 PS: The best Louvres I have seen close up were on some of the EGVs on Ballybeg. You could see through them and I think they were brass. Don't know how Gerry painted them without filling the very tiny gaps with paint? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Thanks , I made some louvres , by scoring plasticard on a XY table . I think Im happy , it produced a very fine louvre pics soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 The CD case idea has been noted - marvellous! Also, looking for a suitable girl? Aren't we all... Do you have a budget in mind? Also, don't be lured by unsuitable ones, they may appear to be cheaper, initially, but the long-term costs may be greater than expected. thanks , I bear that advice in mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 Correct Noel, some have used them to great effect. Also, beware the length of your Mark I for donors. Full brakes for instance are shorter than composites, corridor, buffets, half brakes etc. Thanks , I believe I have the correct Mk1 BSK ( Hornby ) I just have to upgrade the bogies to B5 I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted May 29, 2017 Author Share Posted May 29, 2017 anybody got an idea how the BSGV where laid out inside ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) anybody got an idea how the BSGV where laid out inside ? http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/5443-Daryl-s-Workbench?p=87675&viewfull=1#post87675 and http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/67-Tara-Junction?p=52345&viewfull=1#post52345 Edited May 29, 2017 by Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Colin R Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi guys Have you heard of these people? they are not cheap but once fitted look the part http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88036.html they come in different sizes and scales as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hi guys Have you heard of these people? they are not cheap but once fitted look the part http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88036.html they come in different sizes and scales as well Hi Colin. Please forgive in case I am misunderstanding, but are those not just flat 2D transfers rather than physical louvers in relief, and for O gauge? Noel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Colin R Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) Hi Noel the ones I have had in the past are printed in such a way, that once they are glued in place they give the feel and effect of a grill/ rivet detail. If you scroll down the same page, you should come to some S scale, HO and N gauge grills of different sizes. Like I say they are not cheap, but they do add that little bit extra detail to a model if you want it. I have used the rivet detail in the past, they tend to be used more by war gamer's rather than model railway enthusiasts to super detail such thinks as 2WW tanks and other such models. Here are a couple of links to some people who have used the rivets, this first one you need to scroll half way down the page http://www.009.cd2.com/members/how_to/rivets.htm http://sidneyroundwood.blogspot.co.uk/2010/12/rolling-into-action-completed-project.html as much as I tried I could not find a link to someone who has used the grills, but you get the idea from what to do with the Rivets. Hope this helps. Edited May 30, 2017 by Colin R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Warbonnet Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Thanks , I believe I have the correct Mk1 BSK ( Hornby ) I just have to upgrade the bogies to B5 I believe Correct re the bogies. I'm pretty sure that Replica do a B5 bogie if it can be adapted to fit the Hornby coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 daryl43068 Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Hi Dave, Replica do the B5 bogie. I did think about using a Class 55 Deltic nose grille on my GSV, but opted to use Evergreen instead (due to ease of conversion) D9009 nose end, 7/8/10 by Kieran Marshall, on Flickr Cheers Daryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 jhb171achill Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 Now that we've found a use for Wagon Wheel or Wonderwall CD cases, what can we do with the CDs? (Anything to stop them playing......!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted June 6, 2017 Author Share Posted June 6, 2017 A question Whats the right diameter wheel for the B5 Bogie as used on the converted BSGV regards Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Colin R Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 Now that we've found a use for Wagon Wheel or Wonderwall CD cases, what can we do with the CDs? (Anything to stop them playing......!) Make them into new age garden decorations wind chimes thingie's they scary the living daylight out of the birds as well if you are a gardener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Dhu Varren Posted June 6, 2017 Share Posted June 6, 2017 A question Whats the right diameter wheel for the B5 Bogie as used on the converted BSGV regards Dave 3ft diameter wheels are the order of the day for both B4 and B5 bogies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted June 7, 2017 Author Share Posted June 7, 2017 thanks , I have 12mm on order Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 DiveController Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 (edited) EDIT: ok, If a moderator could delete the image of the grill that would be appreciated Edited June 7, 2017 by DiveController Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 ? That's really helpful ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 (edited) IN my quest for suitable louvres for the BSGV, I hit on a neat way to make them from raw plastikard what I did was mount a 45 degree craft cutter ( a robust one with a circular shaft from an old craft knife set ) into my proxon pillar drill and turn the cutter so its produces " kerfs" that sit at right angles . ( the drill is not rotating ) I have the advantage of then using the X-Y table and I incremented it in 0.6mm X increments , The Y increments simply draw the knife through the material The prototype has 32 louvres in height and this method closely resembles that number Here it is fixed into the modified Hornby Mk1 sides ( awaiting a little tidy up here and there ) Note the funny effect ¼ from the bottom seems to be a lighting effect , in real life , I cant see it in fact the odd defect add to the realism as in practice the louvres suffered damage all the red dust on the XV table is because I milled out the back of the windows so as to recess the glazing closer to the outside as the glazing on the old Hornby MK1 is very far back from the outside B5 bogies from replica railways, some Keen systems LMS suspended corridors , some wire detail and better under frame detail ( diesel tanks etc ) are next on the list Edited June 12, 2017 by Junctionmad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Noel Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 That's resourceful modelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Broithe Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Excellent idea! You could use an Olfa plastic cutter in a similar manner - drawing it, held at an angle, along a straight edge. http://www.olfa.com/plastic-laminate-cutter-%28pc-l%29/1090486.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Junctionmad Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 fo those that are still interested , As Im doing the conversions , I keep coming across BSGV photos I think originally this list came from Glenderg 3172 former BR BCK 21138 3173 former BR BCK 21146 3174 former BR BSK 21143 3175 former BR BSK 21196 3177 former BR BSK 34227 3178 former BR BSK 34590 was also air brake through piped 3179 former BR BSK 34677 was also air brake through piped 3180 former BR BSK 34378 was also air brake through piped 3183 former BR BSK 34687 was also air brake through piped 3184 former BR BSK 34566 3185 former BR BSK 34093 3186 former BR BSK 34757 was also air brake through piped 3187 former BR BSK 34012 was also air brake through piped 3188 former BR BSK 34701 was also air brake through piped 3189 former BR BSK 34264 was also air brake through piped but I can confirm that 3174 is a conversion from aa BCK and not a BSK ( there is a picture of 3173 ) in the fred dean flickr albums note according to Doyle and Hirsh 3171 to 3176 , 6 vehicles were all converted from BCK Mk 1 stock and 3177 to 3192 were from mk1 BSK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I have acquired 3 MK1 Brake composites suitable for conversion
Im struggling with constructing the Louvres/grills as they were quite fine
Anyone any idea how to attack this, even microstrip is a bit oversized
Thanks again
dave
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