NCC Harland & Wolff kit

[Andy Cundick]

Just noticec on RM Web that the next Judith Edge kit is for the LMS NCC Harland && Wolff 060 and very good it looks too,Can't justify one but will get one anyway to keep the Jinty and W company.Andy.

[Patrick Davey]

Do you have a link for this one Andy?  Thanks for the info!

[Dunluce Castle]

Oh wow, must check that out now, happy days.

Edited January 7, 2018 by Dunluce Castle

[David Holman]

Judith Edge kits are always good quality and go together well. Definitely worth a look.

[Mayner]

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/45248-judith-edge-kits/page-37

Harland & Woolff built 5 diesel locos which eventually went to the UTA each totally different. http://www.theyard.info/engineering/trains/trains.asp

H&W also built both main line and shunting locomotives for export to the Sudan, Canada and Argentina during the 1930s.

The main line locos seem to have been rigid frame boxcab units similar to the Armstrong Whitworth locos built during the same era.

Argentina seems to have been a leader with diesel traction during the 1930s,

 

[WRENNEIRE]

Is this a H&W Loco?

Pic taken at the show in Belfast run by the Ulster Model Railway club

 

 

 

[Dhu Varren]

Yes, that is a H & W loco, but not the one referred to in this post. Here is a link.

 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/45248-judith-edge-kits/page-37

[jhb171achill]

I wonder when the last of the South American ones was withdrawn? It would be amazing to find one in a scrapyard somewhere....

[Andy Cundick]

18 hours ago, Patrick Davey said:

Do you have a link for this one Andy?  Thanks for the info!

Go onto RM Web then onto Small Suppliers in the trade section then Judith Edge theres some photos of the model,Andy.

[Mayner]

On 1/8/2018 at 2:56 AM, jhb171achill said:

I wonder when the last of the South American ones was withdrawn? It would be amazing to find one in a scrapyard somewhere....

There may be a paper on the H&W export diesels in the IRRS library, there was a presentation on the H&W locos at either a London or Dublin IRRS meeting many years ago.

The Agentinian main line locos appear to have been large rigid frame units similar to the Armstrong Whitworth locos of the same era and appear to have been considered a failure, as they appear to have had a habit of catching fire when the dry grass from the Pampas that collected around the running gear ignited.

Typical rigid frame export loco of the 1930s

H&W supplied a 3'6" gauge shunting/branch line loco to Sudan Railways their 1st diesel SR400 which may still be in existance.

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Sudans next lot of diesels were a 3'6" gauge version for the standard Vulcan Foundary/English Electric shunting loco that became the BR 08 with a steam loco style cab.

The nearest thing to a preserved H&W diesel is C P switcher 7000 which was assembled in Canada with imported components and originally had a H&W engine

 

Edited January 13, 2018 by Mayner

[Dhu Varren]

There does not seem to have been as many H&W locos built, as might be expected,  just eight. See link below.

http://www.theyard.info/engineering/trains/trains.asp

[jhb171achill]

Very interesting, thanks!

Imagine if the GNR, NCC and BCDR had all been one company, between them owning all the yards and dock sidings in Belfast. You could imagine them getting a class of short-wheelbase but powerful shunters from H&W....

[Garfield]

On 1/13/2018 at 3:16 PM, jhb171achill said:

Very interesting, thanks!

Imagine if the GNR, NCC and BCDR had all been one company....

You mean the UTA?  

[jhb171achill]

Close enough - it was PART of the GNR with the other two, and buses!

[decauville1126]

The kit for NCC 22/LMSR 7057 is now available from Mike Edge, and I collected my pre-ordered one yesterday at Scaleforum. Price is £45 and you'll need to supply your own motor, gearbox, wheels, and buffers - the latter two items being available from Alan Gibson Workshop (nowadays run by Colin Seymour). Consists of 2 sheets of etched brass plus wire and resin casting for the NCC bonnet top casing. 2 sets of frame spacers are provided on the chassis fret to cater for 00 and EM/S4. No need to worry about 21mm gauge as apparently the frames were not altered when it was regauged. 

[Dunluce Castle]

£45 is very good. 

[decauville1126]

21 hours ago, Dunluce Castle said:

£45 is very good. 

Agreed, but once you've added wheels, motor, gearbox, and buffers you're looking at around £100 on the workbench. And brass is cheaper than nickel silver. There's a lot of rivets to be pressed out, some of which are very close together, and some careful curving required on the engine casing. Seems a very odd prototype for Mike Edge to do but perhaps there will be sufficient sales amongst LMS modellers of the pioneering diesels, thus making the NCC version a simple add-on to offer.

Mine's already started with the frames set out for my first foray into continuous springy beam (csb) suspension as an experiment using High Level Kits csb stuff - if I get in too much of a pickle then it'll be easy to convert to flexichas having already done the hornblocks. 

I did also see the part-built WT from Worsley Works at Scaleforum - seems nice although the rivets look very heavy to me. But once finished and painted they will get knocked-back. However, fear not the riveting as there is a skeleton bodyshell to which the overlays with etched rivets are attached by tack soldering from voids on the inside. Be interesting once the chassis is offered.