Dining car on the Rosslare to Cork line

[Wexford70]

Has anyone any seen any photo of the dining car built for the Rosslare to Cork line? It would have formed part of the purpose built rake from 1906 onwards including 11 coaches of the same profile, three brake composites, seven composite coaches and a dining car.

https://www.steamtrainsireland.com/rpsi-collection/21/861-gswr-carriage

 

[Mayner]

There is a photo of part of the Boat Train including the dining car 353 arriving in Cork from Cobh on p 11 of Irish Broad Gauge Carriages by Desmond Cookham. The train is in the new GSR Brown and Cream Livery most likely a Cobh-Kingsbridge "American Mail" with three through coaches for Rosslare Harbour.

There is a diagram of the Dining car and other Rosslare express stock in Transport Associates GSWR carriage diagram book, I can scan a copy if you want.

The J Mc Cartney Roberts and R N Clements albums in the IRRS flickr collection contain a lot of photos of pre-amalgamation stock, its worth joining the society for access to the photos without considering the other benefits.

[Irishswissernie]

I have views of coach 353 on flickr

This view at Cork on flickr if you click on it in the Flickr album, there is some good information posted by Dive Controller of this parish!

12 april 1955 on the Boat train at Waterford HC Casserley

At Cork 13 sept 1960

 

[jhb171achill]

A vehicle of beauty!

[Westcorkrailway]

50 minutes ago, Irishswissernie said:

At Cork 13 sept 1960

 

I like this wayyyyyy more then i should, doesn't suit the coach but.....

[jhb171achill]

23 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

I like this wayyyyyy more then i should, doesn't suit the coach but.....

The green?

Spare a thought for the many GSWR wooden bogies (and a small handful of MGWR ones) which ended up in black’n’tan....

[Wexford70]

11 hours ago, Mayner said:

 

There is a diagram of the Dining car and other Rosslare express stock in Transport Associates GSWR carriage diagram book, I can scan a copy if you want.

I would be most grateful.

Are there any interior photos?

I believe this was the first dining car to run in Ireland, is that true?

[jhb171achill]

2 minutes ago, Wexford70 said:

 

I believe this was the first dining car to run in Ireland, is that true?

No, though it was early enough. The GSWR had several earlier.

[Wexford70]

1 minute ago, jhb171achill said:

No, though it was early enough. The GSWR had several earlier.

Have you any sources you can point me to? 

Would these have run on the Waterford Dungarvan and Lismore line?

 

[Galteemore]

I think Tim Moriarty has some stuff on this in various IRRS journals. 

[jhb171achill]

3 hours ago, Wexford70 said:

Have you any sources you can point me to? 

Would these have run on the Waterford Dungarvan and Lismore line?

 

Dublin - Cork initially. The GSWR's No. 343 was built in 1898, and very probably DID operate the WDLR route at times; it survived into the early 1960s, even running with AEC railcars as a catering-car intermediate, despite its very antiquated appearance.

The MGWR had their first dining car, No. 1, in 1902.

The GNR(I) were also early off the mark. Not so sure about the BNCR.

Neither the CBSCR or BCDR ever had any dining cars.

 

[Lambeg man]

8 hours ago, Wexford70 said:

I believe this was the first dining car to run in Ireland, is that true?

The first proper Dining Car in Ireland was a GNR(I) vehicle of 1895. Later altered to a 1st/2nd composite, it survived until 1960 becoming a UTA vehicle. 

[K801]

I was going to try model that coach years ago but gave up and just painted the donor and lived with the 20ft rule lol

 

[jhb171achill]

4 hours ago, K801 said:

I was going to try model that coach years ago but gave up and just painted the donor and lived with the 20ft rule lol

 

The oul “2ft rule” is our best modelling resource of all, I think!

Reminds me of my black’n’tan painted Mk.1 coach fifty years ago, hauled by a BR 4MT 2.6.4T which, despite a BR crest, was supposed to be a UTA “Jeep”!