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Glenderg, please don't take any of my postings as verbatim I am far from the fount of knowledge compared to some on here, to use cement parlance I have a head like a cavity block on these matters,but to add to my earlier post over the years the various silos were at various times supplied by either plant Platin or Castlemungret but Athy (Tegrel)was only ever supplied from Castlemungret. I was also led to believe that the Athy cement loaded from a separate silo in Castlemungret as far as I'm aware.

Yes Mayner I think that is correct this photo http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000306218 also from the O'Dea Collection is from 1967 note the newer wagons behind the loco have hand brake lever while the wagons further back dont?? also brake van front and rear.

Found this picture in the O'Dea Collection at the National Libary note the Handbrake which is a wheel as compared to a lever and the position of the Vacuum Bag/hose. http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307375

The cement was powder, loading and discharge was carried out by low pressure high volume blown air , the cement was the same grade as used in construction the only exception was the Castlemungret to Athy which was used in the manafacture of roof tiles the wagons on the Athy Cement could not be mixed with the wagons from the other cement jobs like Athenry ,Tullamore,Waterford , Belfast,Sligo, Cork and Cabra as far as I aware.

That's a picture form the O'Dea collection at the National Library, note the new craven in the background.

The Commonwealth bogies fitted to the Park Royals and the early laminates were 8'0" Commonwealths , the Bachmann Commonwealths are 8'6" C'wealths used in the UK , the 8'6" C'wealths were fitted to 1497-1503 Laminates(ultra wides 10'2") , 1145-1146 full First and 2403 Kitchen car It would be great to have the 8'0" C'wealth , the Gangways and battery boxes available.

Absolutely superb piece of work .

Great job , just finished the 30 ton brake van myself nobody should be afraid of working with brass its sounds more difficult than it is .

Not wanting to be the dissenting voice and spoil the party I would like to get a certain sense of perspective with this issue , I make my comments as a ‘Customer’ not as one of the usual knockers as some would put it , am I the first contributor to use the word ‘customer’ in fifteen pages of this thread??. I do to date have two MM Mk2a’s, nine B(GM’s) loco’s, eleven MM Craven’s , three 071 class locos and soon to have seven MM Mk2d’s I think this qualifies me as a ‘customer’. I have no issue with the price of these coaches if I get what I pay for, the price point of these models is at the premium end of the scale when compared to other Mk2’s (Bachmann, Hornby, etc) these are the most expensive BR Mk2’s to date so I would assume they would be premium quality and finish unfortunately they are not . I have seen them in the flesh. The colour is one issue , some small detail issues but the not straight black line and overspray on €56 coaches is simply poor , the supertrain livery is the easiest to reproduce a simple black line down the middle . We seem to have a ‘ah it will do’ or ‘they will be grand’ or maybe ‘ aren’t we lucky for what we get’ attitude to all this . Some would say well weather them or drop them into your local respray agent , but these are high end RTR models you should not have to do that , if you pay premium money for a BMW or Audi car you don’t drop it into the bodyshop on your way home to ‘fix it up’. In 2006 with the Mk2a’s and later with the Cravens the finish was excellent above average, a difficult livery in the case of the Mk2a,but the finish is what you would expect of a premium model. I like many am able to touch up or respray these coaches easy enough, but spare a thought for those who can’t. With the Mk2d supertrain coach the price has increased and the standard has slipped, if these coaches fail to sell as someone has said in a previous post even be returned that is not good for PM , the retailers or the end users and the hobby. Some may say ‘pony up or shut’ up well I have ponied up and will continue to do so to support our Irish retailers and enterprising people like PM, but like all manufactures and retailers they must listen to their customers too.

Spot on Dhu Varren The CiE Mk2d's are more a Mk2f fittied with the better Temp control Ltd air conditioning system (better than on the BR Mk2d's)and the toilets are the same as the Mk2e's.

One could also wear dark glasses or perhaps rose tinted ones when running them on your layout , but you cannot escape the fact that I am about to drop the guts of €500 euro in to my local agent ( deposit already paid) for a set of seven of these coaches and there not the right colour !. If you have respray them or weather them that adds to the cost of them big time .

I had been labouring under the misapprehension that this is a discussion fourm but perhaps not, I also be buying all the Supertrain Mk2d .

They are perfect .

Great news, should the composite be 5152 and not 5102 ?

Re the picture of 1906 it may have had a lookout duct on the opposite side ?? if I remember on this side nearest the camera it was fitted with a driving compartment which was still there in 1985 but sealed up

1906 awaiting scrapping about 1985

I bow to your superior knowledge .......

Interesting thread I think the traffic to Ballinacorthy was fuel oil not petrol , so I assume it was class B using the CIE built wagons as opposed to the Charles Roberts ones in fact these train's originally had Ar class locos to haul them but were so heavy the Ar's had to be replaced by 2 x GM's .

As far as I can find out from pictures the door was removed and paneled over I currently converting a Bachmann mk2a fk by doing the same as Irish Rail

Irish Rail Purchased or swapped 16 in total with Vic Berry for 14 ex Irish Rail B201 metrovick locos in 1990 4101 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open 4102 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open 4103 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open 4104 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open 4105 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open 4106 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open 4107 mk2c first open converted to 54 seat open 4108 mk2/2a Second open converted to 64 seat open 4109 mk2b corridor first converted to 54 seat open 4110 mk2/2a second open converted to 64 seat open 4111 mk2c corridor first (scrapped following fire at inchicore) 4112 mk2c corridor first converted to 54 seat open 4113 mk2a corridor first converted to 54 seat open 4114 mk2a corridor first converted to 54 seat open 4401 mk2b corridor first converted to 37 seat Buffet 4402 mk2b corridor first converted to 37 seat Buffet All were air braked so they could not run with existing mk2d fleet which were Vacuum braked. Dutch vans 3162, 3163, and 3166 were converted to run with them as 4601 , 4602 and 4603.

Great pictures BSGSV any more of those Mk2a/b/c's

Above is a picture of CIE diner 2407 as built in 1953/54 taken from Irish Standard Guage Railways by Tom Middlemass the picture is taken by G M Kichenside 2407 was converted to a kitchen car in 1969

Went along sunday myself , as with all previous years a super event great crowd , no a hint of trouble , enjoyed al the perfomers a bit dissappointed with Lily Allen and her liberal use of the 'F' word between songs , for a wonderful singer and fab lyrics she let herself down especially with so many people with kids there.

They would have been on liners since their introduction in the early 1970's up to the present day not so much on the current Liners as they tend to use the 47'6 wagons as they take the 45' containers . Super looking model an an essential item for anyone modelling the Irish scene .