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Watching paint dry! This Financial Times piece should put the cat among the pigeons, recent USA-UK trade "Deal" and its potentially repercussions for the British model train importers and distributors https://www.ft.com/content/52f7be1c-e708-4b01-b486-7f189a52c842 "China has criticised a trade deal between the UK and US that could be used to squeeze Chinese products out of British supply chains, complicating London’s efforts to rebuild relations with Beijing". FT Perhaps Accurascale consider on-shoring IRM sales and distribution to Ireland unless United States forces the EU into a similar "deal" Perhaps an opportunity for British modeler to "get back to basics" resume modelling and support the local industry by scratch and kit building
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British locos and stock that can be disguised as Irish
Mayner replied to Westcorkrailway's topic in Irish Models
The challenge in converting a BR MK1 Full Brake into a CIE BR Genny Van is that the BR MK1 full brakes were shorter (57') than the Genny Vans (64'6") and the arrangement of doors-windows at the generator end of the CIE vans was quite different to the BR Full Brake. As far as I recall the CIE "BR Vans" were converted from MK1 Brake end coaches of two different types Brake 2nd & Brake 1st?) SSM did a brass overlay for a "BR Van" & Bill Bedford (Mousa Models" did overlays for both varieties of "BR Van" which should be suitable for any type of 64' MK1 coach. Another alternative is to convert a "BR Van" from a MK1 Brake end coach and block up the redundant windows at the generator end with plasticard & fabricate a set of louvers from plasticard to fit in one opening, there is other stuff such as modified roof & underframe detail and fitting B4 Bogies, IRM/Accurascale are apparently planning at some stage to introduce a CIE "BR Van" -
Choosing between Dev and Collins and others that took opposing sides in the Civil War would have been likely to have been divisive until recently. Safer to choose executed 1916 leaders that were acceptable to both sides. From the Anti-Treaty perspective those that signed and enforced the Anglo-Irish treaty had betrayed the Republic, while from the Pro-Treaty side considered the Irregulars as in modern terms a group of Fundamentalists a real threat to the survival of the newly established Free State. Depending on perspective people viewed Dev and Collins either as heroes or traitors. Naming the stations after 1916 leaders was tied up with the 50th anniversary commemoration of the Rising and to stir up patriotic feeling and improve the Fianna Fail Government's election chances in 1967 General Election
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I obtained digital copies of HMRS drawings without any significant problems, possibly contacting the society directly rather than using their on-line system. Though some drawings may not have been scanned in the absence of a digital image. At the time I was in search of evidence to undermine JHBs claim that no 'long' British style 4w coaches existed in Ireland and managed to track down a drawing of a WCIR 24' WCIR Railway coach from the 1870s with quite ornate panneling
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Richard Chown had a pair of the original outside framed Big Boys on his Castle Rackrent layout possibly from a British manufacturers drawing or an 'Official' drawing from a private collection. There is a Brian Monaghan color photo of a MGW Convertible sandwiched between a pair of Long Toms on the Castle Rackrent "Keats and Chapman" mill siding Model Railways magazine possible May 76 edition There is a Metropolitan GSWR 1917 van (with end doors!) in the HMRS collection, there is no digital imaged but listed as as 17'5" ob interesting, but too short to be a Long Tom. Possibly someone on this group may have access to one of Richard Chown's Big Boys or access to Herbert Richards collection of wagon drawings Herbert (Herbie) produced high quality drawings of a MCW built GSWR 10T Open, GSR Grain, GN (Bogie) Guinness (Transport Research Associates), CIE 12T Standard Van (H) "The Irish Model Railway Company" 1964. Apparently Herbert who was once an MRSI member (way before the time I joined in the early 70s) was an active fine scale modeler with an interest in the GSWR who apparently built a model of Tullow station.
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I ended up producing 4 different variants of the RTR 20T Brake Van in different liveries, the interior included a potbelly stove and hand brake wheel, but barely visible unless you removed the roof. Initial plans in 2020 was to commission a plastic injection molded model direct from China, but went down the 3D printed path as I wasn't convinced that I would sell 2-3000 required to break even. In the end sold approx. 100 over 3 years. May re-visit the Brake Van later this year, if time become available. SSM produce a straightforward kit for the 30T van, no soldering necessary basically fold up etched brass assembly of a Dapol Chassis.
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This post was triggered by IEs recent announcement that it has signed an agreement to order 400 wagons over the next 10 years and a recent announcement that a NZ Developer Construction company is building an Inland Port in the South Island. https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/360688905/explained-why-company-planning-3-billion-inland-port-development-otago Which brings up the question of whether Irish businesses are prepared to build Inland Ports or 'a network of intermodal terminals offering logistic services nationally" as IEs Rail-Freight 2040 Strategy long widely describes them https://www.irishrail.ie/Admin/getmedia/685e9919-f012-4018-879b-06618bb536af/IE_Rail-Freight-2040-Strategy_Public_Final_20210715.pdf Although there were private sectors proposals for a rail linked Inland Ports at Clondalkin (National Distribution Centre and near Portlaoise during the late 1990s and even e Dublin Port proposal to build an Inland Port for container storage with its own fleet of wagons none of these proposals for a rail linked Inland Port materialised. Dublin Port deciding instead to serve "Dublin Inland Port" by road through the Port Tunnel and motorway network. Daventry International Freight terminal originally operated by Tibbett and Britten was an early example of a railfreight served Inland Port in England, locally the Port of Tauranga developed an Inland Port in Auckland (our largest city) about 30 years ago (think Waterford Port or Foynes establishing an Inland Port in Dublin) with rail-freight terminals shifting from railway owned land to private sector owned terminals usually operated by Logistics companies. Hamilton where I live a city with a population of approx 100k opened its 1st Inland Port about 25 years ago to serve Fonterra (NZ largest dairy sector operator) and as the cities railfreight terminal, more recently Kiwirail provided a private siding off the main line to serve a new Mainfreight Transport Depot on the outskirts of the City. Mainfreight is served by trip working to and from the local marshalling years. The latest development is the Ruakura Superhub https://www.ruakura.co.nz/ on the western side of the city with rail access close to a major road/motorway junction. Ruakura was mainly agricultural (ag research) until development work commenced about 10 years ago. Due to their large scale (amount of space) and simple rail layout contemporary Inland Port is not really feasible of interesting from a modelling perspective unless you model in Z or have a hell of a lot of space, Largely funded by the private sector sometimes with minor state sector involvement it will be interesting to see if similar rail served development take off in Ireland.
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The EU 9503003000 TARIC & UK 9503.10.10 commodity code for "Reduced (scale)models, electric model railways" commodity codes do not appear in the New Zealand Customs schedule. effective 1st July 2024 https://www.customs.govt.nz/globalassets/documents/tariff-documents/wtd-2024/section-xx-july-2024.pdf The NZ schedule has grouped model railways into the 9503.00.09 tariff category which includes both toys and scale models subject to a 5% tariff 23C . . . . . Electric trains, including tracks, signals and other accessories therefor 55A . . . . . . Model railways and accessories, other than those of Tariff item 9503.00.09 23C While New Zealand has adapted the World Customs Organisation's HS Codes (6digit) different countries and trading blocks appear to have expanded beyond a 6 digit HS code to meet their own specific requirements. As an independent country NZ has applied duty to both toys and models in a 9503.00.09 category which are generally 0 rated in other countries. Its possible that the 5% duty on toys and models in the 950300.09 category is a hangover from the days the NZ Government protected local industry with import tariffs, apparrently at one stage Tri-ang New Zealand factory which assembled toys and models for the local market, apparrently including an NZ version of the "Transcontinental' train set.
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In their final years of operation fitted H Vans may have had their vacuum brakes isolated. I member checking out Mullingar scrap yard in 1982 all the fitted H Vans seen had lettering to the effect that the vacuum brake was isolated. The vacuum brakes appear to have been isolated as the H Vans went through the Works as the lettering was neatly applied in a uniform style possibly with a stencil, which indicates that the brakes on the H Vans may have been isolated during the mid-1970s while still in use in regular traffic, so fitted and unfitted vans could be marshalled randomly in a train up to the end of loose coupled wagons in regular service. H vans ceased to be used for bagged cement traffic following the introduction of the Pallet Cement wagons circa 1976, sundries and general goods traffic up to the changeover of the Dublin-Tralee goods service to Liner Operation in 1978. North Wall-Sligo and North Wall-Wexford were the first goods to go over to Liner operation possibly 76-77, followed by Galway and Westport, Waterford and Limerick, finally Cork and Tralee. Cross Border transfer freights continued in loose coupled operation, but using modern equipment into the 80s. Possibly the last long distance use of H Van's in revenue service was a Dundalk-Kilkenny empty keg special in the late 70s the vans were stored/dumped a Waterford North Wharf afterwards. Long lines of stored H Vans often in reasonable condition was a common feature at several stations in the mid-late 70s(Templemore & Roscrea come to mind) waiting their final trip to Mullingar.
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Back in the day (late 60s) Dublin City Services used to deliver the evening papers to some newsagents using its fleet of RA open platform buses. One day going home from school on a No50, I decided to continue to the next stop at 'the top of the road" rather than get off at my usual stop in Crumlin Village. The conductor gave me the job of delivering the papers to Reynolds newsagents shop in return for refunding my fare and free sweets from the shop, my first paid employment almost 60 years ago my how time flies.
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They say there is an exception to every rule, NZ very much does its own-thing. While New Zealand a staunch supporter of Free Trade particularly unrestricted duty free access for our food and timber exports to Europe and US, NZ imposes a 5% import duty on toys including model trains not that we have an indegenous toy manufacturingindustry to protect. Apparently customs only levy duty on imports above $1000nz in value, I got hit a number of times when I imported high value large scale locos from the States which were bascially unobtainable on the local market.
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Bread and Circuses basically Trump has sold the tariffs to the American people as something the Chinese exporters rather than the American consumer will pay. It may all work out in the end with the tariffs used to fund Federal tax cuts so American will be better off in the end. Interestingly the 30% tariff for the next 90 days anyway is not a lot higher that the 23% vat Irish purchasers pay on IRM models perhaps the Irish revenue introduce a 7% duty on toy trains to 'even things up' with our American friends. I found out to my cost about 1o years ago that New Zealand charges a 5% duty on toy trains when I imported a loco from the States.
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I don't bother sealing or painting a baseboard before tracklaying its not really necessary unless you use a water/moisture absorbant material like MDF I wouldn't worry about movement/weight of the scenery affecting the track wiring, the most important thing is to make sure the trackbase/baseboard is adequately supported/braced. Stripwood possibly 75x25 planed all round is probably the best option for baseboard framing for a 1st layout. I would recommend 12mm ply B Grade (min surface defects 1 side good) as a minimum for a baseboard though I used some 9mm A Grade I had surplus from a job for this layout, it looked good was of adequate strength and free! The ply framing on this layout was ripped using a powered table saw with the fence set to ensure the ply was ripped to a consistent width, I bought the saw when I was a jobbing builder. All ply baseboard North Wharf layout started 2021, dense foam ground sheet used as track underlay. Peco track laid on PVA(school glue!) loose ballast applied Loose Ballast scattered on track, weights should then be placed on track to prevent movement until glue sets (a board with metal weights on top) DCC wiring track bus/feeds black and red remaining wiring to Stationary Decoder used to operate Peco point motors. I usually cover the baseboard edge with a painted hardboard fascia sometimes contoured to the profile of the scenery/landscaping. Ground cover ash, ballast and grass is basically woodlands scenics scatter glued to a foam track underlay some on a bed of glue or dilute water/pva/washing up liquid using an eye dropper, embankments formed expanded polystyrene carved to shape with a knife
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While MDF because of its weight has good sound deadening qualities, the downside is that unless you use water resistant MDF it swells and distorts if it gets wet. I generally use a 5-7 ply plywood preferably Birch or Scandinavian in the 12-18mm thickness for strength and rigidity, though I recently used 9mm finished ply on a plywood framed layout on a portable layout. I generally install cross members on a ply or timber framed baseboard at 600mm centers. In the past I had MDF baseboard surface swelling when I used a PVA and water mix while loose ballasting a layout and problems with drumming and sagging when I used 6mm ply as the trackbase on a layout about 30 years ago. At the time I used to glue the loose ballasted track to cork underlay which contributed to the drumming These days I use dense foam (camping ground sheet) underlay with ply baseboard surface/trackbase with track glued (not pinned) to the baseboard to prevent drumming.
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Looks like "Everything is Awesome" now the White House claiming that they reached a 'trade deal' with China, https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/11/us-china-trade-talks-geneva-intended-de-escalate-tensions-lutnick,. I guess someone on the US side realized that China banning US food exports and 'essential mineral' exports would piss off powerful interests in farming/agribusiness and within the 'defense' sector. I guess its likely to have no long term impact apart from possibly higher prices for the 'model railway industry' , though possibly China setting up a small number of 'high tech' manufacturing plants in 'rust belt states' in a similar manner to Japanese companies setting up assembly plants in the States and the UK during the eighties after Japanese imports decimated the UK motor industry, Honda Swindon, Nissan Sunderland, electronics plants Telford. Main issue is that US and British Outline tends to sell to an older demographic of collectors who may end up having to dispose of their collections as they go into retirement homes before reaching the deceased estate stage, so potentially a glut on the second hand market. One friend in our Garden Railway Group bought/acquired several friends collections as they got older/passed on before loosing interest in the hobby (active in model boating) then passed on his collection to former group member, one mainly model Die-Cast retailer/dealer makes no bones about specialising in deceased estates. Though according to the IRM guys their sales were to a younger demographic than Accurascale. Like everything else as I get older I have accumulated more model railway stuff than I can handle/deal with, unless a child is from a reasonably wealthy family cost has always been a barrier to entry to the model railway hobby, but the younger members on this board demonstrate a high level of ingenuity and creativity. When I got my first 'proper' train set (Triang-Hornby) as a 12/13 year old it ran on battery power for the 1st year until I saved up enough pocket a transformer. Like many 'older people' I am probably getting to the stage of having more models than I can comfortably manage or appreciate in my collection though I continue to buy/assemble the occasional model. I would not be too worried about the younger generation, model railways has always been an expensive hobby for a youngster getting started, they will find a way into the hobby if interested, the younger members of this group demonstrate a high level of creativity and ingenuity in their modelling. I got my first proper trainset (Triang-Hornby) at 13, but quickly got involved in 'modelling' as I loved taking things apart & sometimes managed to successfully re-assemble them, largely dependent on buying second hand until 19 when I had a paying job. Railways becoming 'less interestin" from the perspective of an older generation does not seem to be a factor the same argument seems to have been going on for many years, interestingly some of the younger members of this Newsgroup are interested in modelling the steam era (& lines that closed) 60 years ago!
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The half-hearted hi-vis jacket takes me back to the mid 80s working for an Irish owned groundwork company on a Tesco construction site in London, possibly Wates as main contractor. At the time H&S was pretty much a top-down thing the main contractors managers wore hard hats and possibly hi-vis, safety gear (apart from boots (your own) pretty unknown for the contractors men (very few female construction workers then) till an edict went out that we had to wear high vis, it was mid winter and for several weeks I customarily wore an army surplus coat as my cloak of invisibility over my half-hearted hi vis jacket and no one form management said a word. Anyway Bob Symes was an excellent presenter and a highly creative modeller who brought a sense of adventure to the hobby , I think he was involved in the building of diesel-electric powered Gauge 1 Class 47 a loco and possibly a diesel-hydraulic powered Class 35 or Hymek diesel. There was a series of articles on the building of the Class 47 with wonderful graphic (possibly hand drawn) illustrations in Model Railways magazine in the Mid-Late 70s, yeah those were the times!
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The chassis on the GSR Bredins & early CIE built stock were different in detail. The GSR Bredins basically had a 60' version of the 57' riveted underframe used in late GSWR/early GSR stock with vertical kingposts and bracing rods with turnbuckle adjuster. Bredin riveted underframe with Kingposts & truss rods with turnbuckle adjusters. CIE used an all welded underframe with welded trusses. To complicate matters further CIE built the 1st batch of coaches on a 60' underframe and subsequent batches on 61'6" underframes, the final batches of CIE "Bredins" ran on Bulleid underframes on Commonwealth bogies just like the Park Royals. CIE all welded underframe with angle iron trusses. Simplest solution would be to use Stanier coaches in GSR or CIE livery to produce a generic "layout train" to run behind an 800 or someone with very deep pockets commissioning Accurascale to produce a mixture of ex-GSWR early GSR and Bredin stock that typically ran on a GSR or CIE steam era passenger train with few vehicles alike. Otherwise David Jenkinson book on scratchbuilding coaches in plasticard, David seemingly seemingly vast numbers of highly detailed ex LNWR, Midland and LMS coaches for his 4 & 7mm Settle and Carlisle themed layouts during the 1970s including models of specific 10-12 coach main-line rakes. His shortlived EM Little Long Drag layout of the 1970s was basically an American style walk around layout in a British purpose built garden shed which featured several stations actual and a fictious Junction on the Settle & Carlisle line, featuring several prototypical full length trains all using scratch or kit built locos and stock. The layout didn't last long the owner realised that it was too big to maintain and upsized to a simpler O gauge layout.
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Kiwirail ordered 66 DMs from Standler with a follow up order for 24 Battery Electric locos for shunting services. https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/media/kiwirail-partners-with-stadler-for-new-low-emissions-locomotives/ I
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Although similar in appearance to the Bulleid H Vans the 200 1946 vans were quite different in construction basically an updated 10' wb version of the GSWR vans introduced in 1917 with the timber planking obscured with sheet aluminim cladding. CIE re-skinned some older vans with sheet aluminium cladding including the 1917 'standard' design, some of the older longer GSWR "Big Boy" vans & even some ex-GNR. There is a photo of one of these vans under construction in the Inchacore 150 Book "The Works". Aluminium over planking may have been a post WW11 econmy measure, plentifull supply of aluminium (intended for aircraft production) combined with a scarcity of quality hardwood available for wagon building. GNR coaches built during the same era tended to have hardboard or "Masonite" body cladding on softwood framing which later lead to decay and scrappping. Comparison of an IRM 'Fitted" Van and one of my 1946 Vans. Mine based on a Herbert Richards drawing of a 1946 van appears larger by the IRM model the 1917 GSWR vans appear taller than the Bulleid Vans in photo of the prototype. I guess its time to think about 'retiring' my collection of 21mm gauge H Vans modified from the Parkside Van kit about 30 years ago & some GSWR Vans modified from Coopercraft GWR Van kits around the same era.
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The challenge for a rtr or kit manufacturer is to sell enough of a particular model to make it worthwhile in a competitive price. Thus IRMs focus on selling multi packs of almost identical wagons and earlier focus on 'modern' block train wagons like the Ballast & Cement wagons where the average customer might buy 10 or 20 rather than an individual wagon. While JHB pointed out that the average traditional goods train could have 34 wagons, well 50-5 max on the Cork line or Midland, it was likely to have only one goods brake or possibly a second if the train reversed or divided in route. So potentially a retailer selling 1 Brake for every 10 H Vans or Opens sold, so in the Irish outline market a Brake Van would struggle to reach 2500-3000 to break even let alone a profit. Personally I suspect a lot of buyers of RTR models(and kits for that matter) are collectors who have no real interest in running models let alone prototypical accuracy, after-all how else can you explain a person buying 12 different versions of the same locomotive, or the surge of sales on e-bay soon after a model goes on the market or sells out. Interestingly many years ago when I had a large American outline N gauge, visiting operators quickly got bored with prototypical operation and loved to literally race trains around the layout at the end of a formal operating session, the challenge was to keep two trains (15-20 car freights) running as fast as possible continuously run layout with mixture of fairly long (15-20') single and double track sections (without stopping) I am as guilty as anyone else I have a large collection of N and 4mm models in display cases around the house and boxes of IRM and MM models that I have never run and at this stage getting less likely to run.
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Recently I had suggestion from within Accurascale that it would be a good time to do a small repeat run of my 20T Brake Van.
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G601-3 were acquired as part of an experiment to operate goods trains on the Banagher, Newmarket and Castleisland branches on which regular services ceased during the 1947 fuel crisis. G601 survives with the ITG https://www.irishtractiongroup.com/loco/g601 members who have worked on the loco should have information on the braking system. I measured up the loco at Carrick before the cab and engine housing was encased in metal cladding. Apart from 3 link couplings, no train brake and different cab windows the arrangement of shunter's steps and running plate at the front of the loco is different between the G601 & G611 Class. One G611 Class duty was Liffey Junction Pilot which included a weekly? Edenderry goods working and occasional goods trains on the Meath Road after Clonsilla-Navan closed to regular traffic (62 or 63) The final goods working over the southern section of the Meath Line was a Liffey Junction-Drumree Cattle Special with special permission to load to 15 wagons, nothing heavier than a G allowed because of the poor state of the track! The G ran to Kilmessan to recover a single wagon after placing the cattle wagons at Drumree. Apparently the rails on the cattle bank sidings at Drumree were grass grown the G struggled to achieve traction and some teens from local farms helped by push the loco and laden wagons out onto the 'main line' There is an account of the story by 'Spare Link' in one of the Great Southern Preservation Society newsletters of the 80s
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Visited the Manifold Valley several times 25-30 years ago while railfanning in the Peak's. I think the loco shed was part of a Council road depot 1st time I visited Hume End, but a miniature possibly 3"½' gauge was set up at the Waterhouse end of the carpark leading back a hundred or so yards on the trackbed, being me it was late afternoon/evening & no one was around. Yes drove several times through the tunnel and last time I was over cycled from Waterhouse to Thors Cave. Although close to the cities of Stoke and Greater Manchester the Manifold Valley is remote largely accessible by the Manifold Trail probably one of the first of Britain's rail to walking/cycling trail. This was well before the days of the re-opening of the Cauldon Low Branch as a heritage railway, although out of use the semaphore signalling system at Leekbrook Junction and the yard and ground frame at Cauldon Low intact.
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The Cultra Van is a bit of an odd-bod an all metal body on a GSWR underframe possibly a one off once used to house (steam cleaning?) plant off rail in the Ramps area of Inchacore. I must be beginning to get old took the photo almost 50 years ago. On the Brake Van question all CIE goods trains Fitted, Unfitted or Partially fitted which included traditional wagons like H Vans would have run with a Brake Van. The North Wall-Waterside "Derry Vacuum" was officially a fully fitted goods hauled by a CIE loco to & from Lisburn with MPD or 70 Class working the train to and from Waterside, though one of Jonathan Allen's photos shows an MPD Power car shunting unfitted H Vans at Waterside. On trains like the mails a number of Fitted wagons were allowed run behind the Coaching stock, I have a photo of an Up Sligo mail approaching Ballysodare behind B149 the train made up of a 4W Tin Van (Heating & Luggage) in Black and Tan, what looks like an ex-GSWR side Corridor coach in late 50s Green, a Bogie TPO possibly ex-GSWRin light green & 3-4 H Vans. Initially Block Trains of Cement Bubbles ran with a Goods Brake Van before CIE & the Unions agreed for the Guard to ride on the loco, riding in a Brake Van at 50mph at the rear of a goods train would not have been a comfortable or safe working environment. The CIE 20T Brake Van introduced in the 50s would have been preferred over the 30T Vans introduced in 1960s which had a problem of running hot boxes (overheated bearings) until later fitted with roller bearings, the unlined( uninsulated) all steel interior would have been an uncomfortable working environment too cold in winter, too hot in summer likely to have been avoided by staff unless nothing else was available. Possibly a Taranaki thing; pricing appears in $NZ in the Waikato even without logging in, though a US Shopify site thought I was in South Africa and displayed prices in Rand.
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One of the supreme ironies with the current situation is that American experts (Demming, Durand et-al) pioneered the concepts that allowed American businesses to offshore their manufacturing the Far East and China. Ironically these experts were largely ignored in the US but taken seriously by the Japanese during the post World War re-build, at the time it was probably thought that the World would be safer if the Japanese (and other defeated axis powers focused their energies) on manufacturing motorbikes cars and radios. I was once sat in the canteen of a major Ford dealership in Dublin during the 80s and one of the managers questioned who really won the War pointing to the nearly Audi-Volkswagen and Nissan plants. Ironically these methods were adapted by the US Navy in the 1980s rebranded as Total Quality Management or TQM. JIT was basically using subcontractors to manufacture the components for delivery to the assembly plant just in time, classically in Japanese mini vans. Atlas is an interesting one shifting (loco) production to Italy (Rivarrosi) 70-80s, Austria (Roco) 70-80s Kato (Japan) during the 80s and China mid 90s. A similar lower priced Model-Power range was produced in Yugoslavia but does not appear to have survived the break up and civil war. The N scale Con-Cor PA1 & Atlas N Scale RS3 both manufactured by Kato were transformative in terms of detail finish and running (center motor twin bogie drive) the running of the Kato locos best described as impeccable, Atlas 90s Chinese production was even more refined in finish with extremely smooth low speed running but sounded like a tractor, their early 2000s era Chinese production was utterly transformative. Interestingly Trump is already being portrayed as the Grinch in the US Media https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/30/trump-china-tariffs-toys/83372961007/ , my wife and her mum (staunch Democrats) from the Mid-West religiously watch the Boris Karloff version of the Grinch on Christmas Day