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Standard design of open wagon and vans introduced by the Irish Railway Clearing House during WW1. Naturally the MGWR had a "convertible" type of the van in addition to the hard topped variety. The IRCH open was the standard Irish open wagon up to the introduction of the corrugated opens by CIE in the 1950s The IRCH covered wagon was the standard on the GNR until the boards assets were divided between CIE & the UTA in the 1950s.
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Used for goods and livestock traffic the standard MGWR covered wagon up to the introduction of the Irish Railway Clearing House vans during WW1. Some lasted into the mid-late 1950s
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Introduced in the early 1920s on imported steel underframes these were the MGWRs final design of goods brake some survived into the late 1950s
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Interesting similar in general appearance to the H Class except for the cab profile and smaller driving wheels without crankpin splashers. The H Class 2-4-0s were the 1st GNR passenger engine and supposed to be based on an older Dublin and Belfast Junction Railway design. The Ulster, Irish North Western and Dublin and Drogheda were also likely to have used 2-4-0s for passenger work, so the origin of the G Class might take some digging/research The GNR would have used the best of the pre-amalgamation types until there was a need to replace them with more modern locos. Interestingly the GNR introduced the 1st batch of 5 U Class 4-4-0s for secondary work in 1915 possibly replacing the G Class locos on the Irish North Western Line and other secondary routes.
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MGWR 6w coach kits are on the to do list, I need a couple of trains for my own use. I released kits for the 1889 Horsebox and Meat/Fish Van 3-4 years. The frets for the Horsebox and Meat Van are available to order, most of the castings are available from Dart Castings in their MJT range. Drawings of the MGWR brake 3rd, 4 compartment composite and 5 compartment 3rd appeared in Tim Cramer's series in Model Railways magazine in the mid 70s the composite & 3rd were drawn to 4mm scale but the brake 3rd appeared to be closer to S Scale! I will post a "Broadstone Collection " drawing of the brake 3rd in the resources section, the MGWR was fond of goods brakes with raised lookouts until the introduction of the more conventional 20T goods brake with end verandas in the early 1920s
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Padraig O'Cuimin "Broadstone Series" drawing. These coaches were re-classified as 1sts in 1914 and re-numbered as 40, 15 & 42
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The late Padraig O'Cuimin was the recognised authority on the Midland Great Western and published papers on MGWR coaching and wagon stock in the IRRS Journal in the early 1970s. The paper on wagon stock goes into considerable depth on the evolution of both the "standard Irish convertible wagon that carried both livestock and general goods and the evolution of the Irish Cattle wagon. Basically the railways were forced by the Government to increase the length of convertible and cattle wagons to 14' in the late 19th Century which remained the Irish standard until CIE introduced the longer KN wagon in the 1950s. The GSWR & GNR had large fleets of 14' cattle wagons. The MGWR was a thrifty railway and had a relatively small fleet of cattle wagons, relying on the convertible wagons to handle traffic peaks from the big cattle fairs in the West of Ireland, rather than a large fleet of cattle wagons that were only used occasionally. Unfortunately I don't have the full collection, I will scan and post the drawing marked with a √ to the resources section of this site. 1993 prices quoted by Padraig! The Broadstone Series drawings were AO sized, unscaled, highly detailed and a work of art.
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Peco are a long way behind other manufacturers in terms of EM track and pointwork. Reasonably priced EM gauge bullhead flexible track has been available from a number of manufacturers for the last 20-30 years, the lack of ready assembled points are less of an issue in EM & S4 for bullhead track as the railway and modelers tend to build custom built formations to fit the available space. Its difficult to see the 10-20 people in the world who work in 21mm having the same level of influence on manufacturers as the EM or S4 Societies. For the average 21mm gauge modeler building/assembling locos and stock and laying track is funner than sitting on a standards committee, which is why nearly every one of us works to their own personal track and wheel standard.
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Reasonably priced Unimat's come up on e-bay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UNIMAT-3-LATHE-AND-MANY-MANY-ACCESSORIES-CLOCKS-MODEL-ENGINEERING/283247594252?hash=item41f2df4b0c:g:eO8AAOSwnFpb4Xe7 The Unimat 3 is a much more solid machine than the older SL1000 though either type are more than adequate for small scale modelling. The only warning is that you will probably endup spending more on late/milling machine accessories than you spent in buying the machine in the 1st place.
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The Ulster Folk & Transport Museum have loco and rolling stock drawings from the majority of the Broad and Narrow Gauge railways including GNR(I), NCC,(broad & narrow gauge) BCDR, DNGR, CDRJC and UTA that operated in Northern Ireland. I don't know if the drawings are available to members of the public, but it would be worth while contacting the curator to check on the current position. I have a copy of a 21 page catalogue I got from the museum several years ago, the GNR(I) section contained 87 diagrams of coaching stock and a similar number of freight stock, but no locomotives. CDJR, NCC, BCDR diagrams covered locos and stock. UTA drawings naturally covered railcars and railcar conversions. Irish Railway Record Society Members Brendan Pender and Herbert Richards published the GSWR Carriage Diagram book over 40 years ago, a copy of the book may be available in the IRRS Library or through the IRRS London Area The diagram book contains 59 Diagrams of Bogie stock, 40 diagrams of 6w stock, 13 diagrams 4w stock (non passenger coaching). Richard Chown relied heavily on manufacturers drawings for his 19th Century locos and rolling stock used on Castle Rackrent. UK technological museums like the NRM, Manchester and Newcastle may have original general arrangement and construction drawings for narrow gauge stock supplied by companies like Pickering, Metropolitan Carriage and Wagon.
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I toyed with the idea of buying a lathe and a milling machine a few years ago and ended up buying a Unimat SL. Manufacture between the mid 1950s and mid 1970s the Unimat DB200-SL1000 was a popular for light modelling work as they can be set up to operate as a milling machine, a lathe and other machine tools. The motor in my Unimat appeared to give up the ghost in June, refusing to run and sparks coming out of the bottom of the motor housing. Luckily enough a local re-wind/electrical repair shop was able to do a repair, it looks like a radio interference suppressor blew up causing one of the motor leads to wrap round the commutator, but not trip the workshop circuit breaker. I set up the Unimat as a lathe last night to reduce the bogie center height on a number of large scale archbar freight trucks. When I replaced LGB & Bachmann freight cars with 1:20.3 (15mm) scale stock over the past few years, I was surprised at the variation in coupler height among AMS/Accucraft freight stock. My stock is a combination of new and used with a variation in height between different types of stock, but more surprisingly between cars of the same type. On checking the coupler height of 3044 was 2.6mm higher than the car on the left and the majority of box and stock cars. Coupler height was lower again on gondolas (opens) & flats but that's another story with an easier solution. I will probably stick to AMS couplers rather than change to Kadee, magnetic uncoupling does not really come into it when you have working coupler lift bars and switch stands, though switching or running round trains can involve a lot of walking on my railway if you don't plan your moves in advance The car on the left has a more recent design of truck with a lower bogie pivot center and different brake hanger design. The archbar trucks are of a similar design to the modern American 3 piece freight truck and the BR "Ridemaster" bogies. Lowering the height of the bogie/truck center. The truck center beam/bogie bolster just about fits in the 4 jaw chuck and clears the lathes bed bars. Centering the center beam was simple enough gradually adjusting the jaws using the lathe tool as a guide. The center beam was close to the limit for the SL in terms of diameter, though rising pieces are readily available for the head& tail stocks and tool post. GSWR 6 wheeler in the background waiting its turn through the paint shop! Before and after shots of early version of AMS archbar trucks, the truck on the right is from a gondola that may have spent more time in a box or display case than the truck on the left. Die casting appears to be of good quality min 12-15 years since manufacture, machined reasonably easy with a good finish. Current design of AMS archbar truck, truck center 2.6 mm lower than earlier design, underslung brake hangers, plated wheels. This basically completes the coupling height adjustments to the AMS stock, the next job is to fit Kadee or AMS couplers to my Bachmann locos and freight stock. Another step closer to reliable operation
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Atkinson Walker built 25 geared steam locos mainly standard gauge for use in industry. The CVR tractor appears to have been the only one considered to be a failure, possibly CVR loco crew lack of familiarity with firing vertical boilers rather than any inherent failings with the loco itself. http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/ROD_Universal Works_British steam.html. Atkinson-Walker appears to have gone out of production as a result of the Depression and competition from Sentinel. The Atkinson-Walker business re-emerged in 1933 as Atkinson Lorries a successful British heavy vehicle manufacture, not sure if there was a connection with Walker Bros of Wigan who built diesel railcars from the 1930s onwards.
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I remember seeing a very smart looking 019 newly painted in the tippex scheme with points loco during a visit to Inchacore during the early 1990s The loco appeared to have been overhauled and re-painted including bogies, but never re-entered service being stored in 010s former resting place outside No1 Diesel. Its possible that it was intended to retain a number of 001 Class for Tara and Liner workings before IE got funding to increase the order of the 201 Class from 10 to 34 locos. Only one cab and about 3/4 of the loco body was repainted for the mock up the remainder of the loco remaining in the tippex scheme.
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It looks like the loco is in an approximation of SNCB/NMBS (Belgian Railways) livery. The model appears to be based on the German V200 diesel locomotives, there were broadly similar locos in use throughout Europe the Irish assembled V200 seems to have been available in British Rail, Belgian, Danish, German, Norwegian, and Spanish railway liveries.
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CIE Laminate Coaches - Worsley Works - ECMbuild in 4mm
Mayner replied to murrayec's topic in Irish Models
CIE used BR style Commonwealth bogies with 8'6" wb under a small number of Inchacore designed & built coaches in the early 1960s. No one produces a kit or a RTR model for these coaches which had a different end profile to the Laminate stock. The earlier Commonwealth bogies used under Laminates, Parkroyals and some MK2 Bredin coaches had an 8' wheelbase. The other major difference between Irish & BR practice was that CIE used 3' diameter wheels with commonwealth bogies while British Railways used 3'6" which can affect the ride height if you plonk a Park Royal or Laminate on Bachmann bogies. Eoin's bogies remind me of my 1st visit to Inchacore in the late 1970s, where CIE were flame cutting replacement drop equalisers (flat lower part) for Commonwealth bogies. I formed the roofs for the JM Design vans in a similar manner to Eoin using a commercial photo engraver rather than CNC milling to form the weather strips and cantrail. I pre-form the roofs using a G.W.Models Rolling Mill and less sophisticated version of Eoin's clamping and bending jig Eoin I think you should pass this article and your photos to Alan Doherty and New Irish Lines it definitely surpasses my article on assembling Worsley Works Coaches and might motivate Alan to produced an etched roof for his Laminates & ParkRoyals -
A small number of coach side overlays to fit the Dapol 60' Stanier Coach are now available from stock: CIE 1339-55 Side Corridor 3rd/Second/Standard overlays $32.00 NZ Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders JMD Corridor 2nd fitted to Dapol 60' Stanier 3rd with with MJT roof vents, 0.45mm AGW straight brass wire plumbing, Hornby coach wheels, modified Dapol interior. 1904-1908 Brake 3rd/Second/Standard Open overlays $32.00 NZ Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders 1904-1908 Bk2nd fitted to Dapol Coach, MJT roof vents, 0.45mm AGW straight brass wire plumbing, Hornby coach wheels, Comet interior kit. Weights fitted under floor. 3201-3212 BSSGV overlay kit $53.00 NZ. Min shipping/ postage $17NZ on orders. BSSGV spec as per Corridor Standard. Combination of Dapol interior to passenger & lavatory compartments and plasticard floor and partitions in van portion. Buffet and Standard Open overlays are available to order 6-8 weeks lead time. Please P.M or contact JM Design at majral@xtra.co.nz if you are interested.
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Kilfree Junction 1956 or 1957?. Apparently A44 was routed into the loop at Kilfree was unable to stop crashed through the buffer stop at the end of the headshunt (on the right) rolled down the bank and wagons piled up on the loco. Apparently Bulleid visited the scene by helicopter and was impressed at how his triangulated wagon underframes stood up to the collision. There were several near misses & run aways during the 1st few years of diesel operation as former steam drivers adjusted to the freer running and increased stopping distances with the new diesels.
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1100&1100 were the first reasonably successful medium power diesel electrics designed and built in the British Isles and could be considered the forerunners of the BR Derby & BRCW Type 2 Sulzers. The British Rail locos and the B101 Class used an uprated version of the engine used in the 1100&1100 and their electrical system was considered superior to the Brush system used in the BR locos. The Inchacore built locos had a very high axleload by Irish standards and were restricted to 50mph as their plate frame bogies were rough riding and hard on the track. The 101 Class BRCW Sulzers were built with an A1A A1A wheel arrangement and fitted with drop equalising bogies to overcome the weight and riding problems of 1100&1101. Metropolitan Vickers may have gone for Crossley diesels in the A & C Class rather than the proven and reliable Sulzer engine to keep within the axle load and weight limits on the Irish system. Shapeways produce CIE Class B Sulzer designed by B Lancer. https://www.shapeways.com/product/PZZCYVXM6/cie-b-class-sulzer-locomotive-oo-scale?optionId=42321334 An Irish modeller built a batch of Sulzers to a high standard several years ago, but there about as rare as hens teeth.
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Removing the wipers on the secondmans side seems to have been a common feature on both the A & C Class during the mid-late 1950s. Metropolitan Vickers electrical equipment had a very good reputation a factor that worked in favour of re-powering rather than replacing the Irish Metrovicks Possibly an economy measure to save on maintenance and stock up on spare parts when Todd Andrews was running the railways? There is the story about CIE removing half the light bulbs from the C&L "Bus Coach" as an economy measure during the same period.
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Its possible B233 went straight from the black to the Supertrain livery. Maybe IRM will do the C Class for their next loco including the B233 & B234 Maybach variation with a porthole blocked out on one side as a puzzler. I always thought B233 looked especially smart in black with white eyebrows and yellow warning panels
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The authentic Crossley sound! The Australian Metrovicks remained in services with their Crossley engines into the late 1980s on freight and Perth suburban passenger services.
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O Gauge and larger scales have a great "presence" as exhibition layouts, the sheer mass and momentum of the models means you need to model very little outside of the railway fence, just tracks and trains. Multiple tracks and complex pointwork add to the main line atmosphere, somewhere on the Western Region judging by the buildings and structures.
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