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The main draw back with Lucan North and South stations was their distance from Lucan and its attractions an important destination for day trips from the city during the late 1800 early 1900s. The narrow gauge tramway had the disadvantage that it did not run through to Dublin City Centre passengers had to change trams at Cunningham Road. A short lived extension of the Dublin and Lucan reached Leixlip (Salmon Weir Inn) but was abandoned when the line was re-gauged from 3' to 3'6" and electrified, there were also plans at one stage for a Lucan Spa to Celbridge Line. The DUTC took over re-gauged to 5'3 and electrified and integrated the Dublin and Lucan into its tramway system during the 1920s with a through service from "The Pillar to Lucan' which were discontinued in 1940 The Dublin and Lucan was the nearest thing in Ireland to a US style Interurban Railway
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450 Class running day at Downpatrick Sunday August 13th
Mayner replied to Niles's topic in What's On?
Drew Donaldson commented about one GNR(I) (operating) modeller who built BCDR locos and hauled stock to work trains that were worked by diesel railcars on the prototype "because no one wanted to see diesel trains" The knowledgeable observer knew that trains operated by a BCDR loco represented a diesel railcar set on the prototype. Interestingly families visiting a UK narrow gauge heritage railway on which I volunteered sometimes could not recognise the difference between a steam and a diesel loco, they had a cab at one end and a chimney/exhaust pipe at the other. Naught so funny as folk as they say! -
The "Maynooth Loop" is a very old proposal, I have a sneaking suspicion the the Dublin and Meath was originally planned to connect with the GSWR near Clondalkin before falling under MGWR control, more recently the GSR planned to connect the ex-GSWR and MGWR lines in the Lucan-Maynooth area and divert ex-MGWR line trains to run to and from Kingsbridge. While its encouraging to see Arup recommending building lines on new alignments to reduce congestion increase speed, its difficult to see the Irish or UK Governments approving investment in new lines because of the level of borrowing required to construct the lines and the level of operating subsidy. Its much simpler to fund road-schemes on a users-pay basis, through road tolls, road taxes, vehicle registration fees, and excise on fuel, these taxes can be adjusted to minimise the level of Government funding required to build and maintain the roads, pay carbon taxes due and the road user both private motorists, and commercial operators take on the risk of buying and financing the vehicles/rolling stock. "Fines" for Ireland failing to stay within its emission targets are simply recovered through higher carbon taxes (fuel duty) on the road user. It will be interesting to see how governments recover from the loss in fuel excise duty with the switch to electric, bio-powered and hydrogen vehicles, increased VAT on electricity?
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450 Class running day at Downpatrick Sunday August 13th
Mayner replied to Niles's topic in What's On?
Apparently enthusiasts spat on the Metrovick diesels when they first appeared in service at Westland Row station during the 1950s. The Mitsui 2600 railcars are continuing to out-live their AEC predecessors that barely lasted 20 years in service mainly because British Leyland ceased to supply engine/gearbox parts. Although they were uncomfortable the BREL MK3 Multiple Units including the NIR 450 Class had a certain Buck-Ugly charm. -
The coach sides were designed to fit the Dapol Stanier 60' Side Corridor coach. Dapol no longer appear to produce these coaches, though they may appear on the second hand market under Dapol, GMR or Airfix branding. A BR Van is probably the best option for use with Park Royal during the IE era, when the majority of the older vans including the 32XX had been withdrawn from service.
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1 possibly 2 kits in stock @$28NZ , no plans to re-stock when sold out. I would need to check shipping costs.
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Where do I start: 1. Replace damaged rear coupling G gauge 1:20.3 scale DRGW K27 so I can resume playing trains in the garden. 2. Garden railway track maintenance, weed and scrub clearing. 3. Assemble and complete OO Gauge MGWR 2-4-0 for client 4.. Complete final assembly of 2X52 Class locos in storage since 2022 including ordering wheelsets for 1 loco. 5. Final assembly Tin Vans and GSWR coaches. 6. Complete buildings for OO gauge dock layout. 7-100
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O-16.5 Peckett after completing D2 and No29 what can I possibly say! I need to get my act together and finish at least one of the unfinished projects on my work-bench, but which one?
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The GSR/CIE rebuilt 67 J15s or approximately 60% of the Class with Z superheated boilers, the remainder of the class retained the 4'4" saturated boiler with round topped firebox, both types remained in use to the end of steam. Superheating was intended to reduce running costs by reducing coal and water consumption. The (high) Type C Tenders were more common (67)than the (low) Type B Tenders (28) and Type C Tenders would have become readily available for use with J15s from the mid 1950s onwards as larger post 1900 locos were scrapped. Similarly many of the ex-MGWR version of the "Standard Goods" ended up with large tenders from scrapped post 1900 locos. CIE no longer had a use for and scrapped many of its larger more modern steam locos during the mid-late 1950s but had work for the humble J15 on beet specials, pw trains and some branch lines to the end of steam. The CIE section of the Irish Railway Transports Smugmug site is an excellent source of photos on Irish Steam https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/CORAS-IOMPAIR-EIREANN-STEAM/
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The J15s (both superheated and saturated) ran concurrently with type A,B & C Tenders in GSR/CIE days. Its probable that the larger Type B and C Tenders were coupled to locos used on long distance goods trains and cattle specials because of their greater water and coal capacity, the smaller tenders on locos on branch line and trains calling at all stations. The Type B tenders introduced for use with 4-4-0s used on Cork Express trains during the 1880s, Type C with the larger locomotives (4-4-0,O-6-0,2-6-0 and 4-6-0) locos introduced from 1900 onwards. Tenders tended to be swapped around between locos during GSR/CIE days with J15s running with all 3 types and large 4-4-0 and 0-6-0 types running with small Type A tenders. The low Type B tender appeared to be less common that the high Type C tenders. Superheated J15 106 with Type A Tender Foynes 1955, the 'thing" on top of the chimney appears to be a spark arrestor at the time Foynes handled petrol and oil traffic. Superheated J15 137 with a Type B Tender Limerick 1955. Saturated round top firebox J15 161 with high Type C Tender Newcastle West 1948. 183 with high Type C tender Waterford 1955
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Built a pair of MIR 121 on Athearn SW1500 chassis back in the 90s not bad by the standards of the time, though the less said about the tippex lining the better. The whitemetal MIR 121 and 141 on Athearn chassis were excellent "layout' locos could pull any train and operate reliably for several days under exhibition conditions. I got rid of my Irish "modern image" stuff a few years later, the models were relatively crude and less satisfying to build compared with what could be achieved with contemporary etched kits
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IE implemented the directive by opening up access to the rail network about 15 years ago, but apart from the Railway Preservation Society of Ireland no one appears to have been interested. https://www.crr.ie/economic-regulation/access-to-the-rail-network/. There was talk in the early 2000s of a UK "Open Access" operator entering the Irish Market to operate a rail borne distribution service using rail for "Line Haul" work with road delivery and collection, the business failed to take off in the UK or Ireland. The lack of heavy industry like steel mills, motor manufacture, large rail served quarries, and large coal/bio-fueled power stations in Ireland means there is little in the way of heavy profitable freight flows for rail in Ireland. Importing Bio-fuel (sawmill waste) through Scottish ports to burn in Power Stations in the North of England and transporting stone from Somerset to London by rail has not exactly got a lower carbon footprint than ESB burning oil and coal in its coastal power stations or Roadstone supplying stone by road to Irish cities from locally located quarries. DB Cargo and other UK 'Open Operator" success is based on serving heavy industry of a type that does not exist in Ireland and the UK Government subsidising rail access charges. Kingscourt is unlikely to be a runner for Gypsum traffic unless Cement Limited or Gyproc paid to extend the line from its current terminus to the mines near Carrickmacross and invested in a modern fleet or high capacity wagons.
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It would make more sense from an engineering and financial perspective to build a railway to serve Cavan. Monaghan or Donegal for that matter on an entirely new (more direct) alignment, than to attempt to re-open indirect routes that were abandoned over 60 years ago. It would be necessary to go through the planning process and obtain powers of compulsory purchase to acquire the right of way regardless of whether its intended to re-open an abandoned route or build a line on an entirely new route. The powers to build and operate a railway were extinguished when the lines were abandoned during the 50s and 60s and the right of way disposed of to adjoining landowners. The Government/NTA have to buy back Pace-Navan trackbed from the landowners before work can start on re-opening to Navan. Personally I think the re-opening of lines in the Border/Midlands Region unlikely to happen, relatively low population and the challenge of the Irish and UK Governments co-funding such a project, much simpler to provide subsidies for electric cars.
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My first introduction to IT was during the late 70s when our company 'outsourced" our book-keeping to a business that had a Main-Frame computer as our business expanded. Previously among other duties I maintained the sales and expenses ledgers manually entering and coding invoices and payments in a big Kalamazoo Ledger, my job was now to approve and code the invoices for data entry on a paper form stapled to each invoice. Our provider sent out a "technical advisor' to our office after some unexpected glitches in the first data entry run and our "advisor" literally could not believe my working conditions in a site office on a busy construction project and he never came back again or heard of further problems with the standard of my coding. I usually carried out data entry or invoice coding in the quite and comfort of a show home or a back-office. We later took on a full time book-keeper and I shifted to a purely managerial and technical role and no longer had to code invoices
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Some progress with the 3D model of the C&L Milk Van. Step 1. was to import 2D side and end sketches I prepared earlier as templates for drawing the 3D Model One of the quirks of my 2D CAD software is that the sketches appear as a mirror image when imported into Fusion 360 as a "Canvas' Step 2. 1/4 of the basic bodyshell extruded as a 3D model. The Milk Vans and most wagons are symmetrical so its only necessary to prepare a detailed 3D model of a 1/4 of the model and then complete by copying and producing a mirror image. Step 3. Extruding the framing detail, the basic extrusion includes the thickness of outside framing and I then cut away the excess material to model the depth of the framing, a process not unlike milling or routing metal or timber without sharp rotating tools, swarf and dust! Step 4. Outside framing modelled for 1/4 of Milk Van Planking, strapping and bolt head detail will be reproduced by extruding profiles on the model. The next step is to produce a test print, for planking, strapping and rivet detail using different widths, depths and material thicknesses before completing the Milk Van body detail.
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The South Eastern does not appear to have had the very low platforms commons on the Cork Line and older parts of the GSWR so coaches with lower footboards may have been un-necessary at least in DSER/GSR/CIE days. The GNR(I) also appear to have fitted (or removed) lower footboards from their 6w and older coaching stock.
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One single 15V source is adequate to power multiple point motors and capable of throwing two Peco point motors at a time such as in a crossover. There are three wires to each Peco Pl-11 and other solenoid point motors, one common and one to each coil fed through the point switch https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11 Instructions.pdf The common can be fed through a single bus wire to each motor, the switch wire have to be fed back to the point switches which can be located individually near the point or centrally in a control panel. The Peco point switches can be mounted singly on the layout or grouped in a lever frame. Although I had Peco switches, I ended up using old Tri-ang (Hornby) switches as I got them second hand for next to nothing and were fun to operate. Bank of Tri-ang (Hornby) levers used to control solenoid point motors on an N gauge layout. One wire from the power source ran to the lever frame, the second direct to the point motor. Wiring Seep Point Motors Black-Common White-Coil1 (Normal) Brown-Coil2 (reverse) on a portable N gauge layout Wiring from the point motors and track feeds was routed through a soldered tag strip to a multi-way cable connector (old style Printer Cable) between the layout and control panel. The layout was portable with three baseboards and two banks of Tri-ang point levers to control the points on two baseboards. DCC Wiring of Peco point motors using Lenz Stationary Decoders using colour coded wiring and screw terminal blocks. Points are fed through a separate 15V a/c supply (orange and brown)to the 15V a/c DCC track power/control bus (black and red) DCC simplifies the wiring leaving each baseboard essentially self contained, eliminating the requirement to run wiring from each point motor back to a separate switch or a control panel.
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Had not heard of the grade before this trip was more interested in checking out the Clinchfield and remains of the Tweetsie narrow gauge which unfortunately did not come to pass Back in Aotearoa or the "Land of the long white cloud" in Mid-Winter (not too cold, but very damp), Some good stuff on operation in the early 90s when freight trains had cabooses and freight car grafetti was unknown, there is even a You Tube series on modelling Saluda Grade.
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I did not get much of an opportunity to check out the local railroads during our stay in the Blue Ridge Mountain Foothills in North Carolina, but managed to check out a couple of towns on the disused Norfolk Southern ex-Southern Railway Saluda Grade Line and managed to sample some genuine and very good moonshine. With its mild (by US standards) climate the foothills has become a haven for retirees from the big cities of North East and Mid West and Climate Change refugees from California and Florida, the CBDs of the smaller cities (villages & towns) have been nicely restored for tourists and out of Stater's in contrast to the more work-day cities where business has shifted from the CBD to out of town malls and shopping centers. The Saluda Grade was the steepest grade on a US standard gauge main line at 4.7% or 1:21 and has been out of use since 2000 after Norfolk Southern diverted through traffic (including a 12,000Ton coal train) to other routes. My first glimpse of the route was the restored Depot at Landrum South Carolina, the City (Urban District Council) bought and restored the Depot as a Civil Centre after passenger services ceased during the early 70s The Depot appears to have been recently renovated as a function venue, though restoration work on the coach appears incomplete. There appears to have been great local pride in the Southern Railway and the amalgamation with Norfork and Western to form NS not exactly seen in a positive light! The Train Order Board(not a signal!) was probably erected for show, the Southern converted the Saluda Route to CTC control with colour light signalling . Telegraph and Train Order operation became obsolete and the role of the Station Agent redundant with the introduction of Track Warrant Control in the States during the 1980s/90s with Train Crews communicating directly with the Dispatcher (Train Control) using two way radio eliminating the Stations Agents role. Saluda at the crest of the grade is an almost perfect example of a city with the business and residential districts on opposite sides of the tracks and would make a visually interesting model in its own right The Depot was relocated from its original site and re-located and re-purposed as a museum in the CBD, the city centre buildings are similar in style to building kits available from Walthers, Kibri and Design Preservation models, the steep wooded hillsides are best modelled in poly foam with specimen trees in the foreground. Saluda Historic Depot Museum the depot is similar in architectural styling to surviving Depots at adjacent Towns, Landrum appears to be an exception with its simpler roof design. Main Street USA? The crossing signals are tilted upwards out of use. Visual quailty is not great, but a taste of the challenges of operating 13,000 Ton Coal Trains on the Saluda Grade Line in Southern Railway days during the 1990s, the Southern and Norfolk and Western preferred to run their freight diesels "long hood forward" apparently to provide better crew protection in grade (level) crossing collisions. Four locos on the head end, and three radio controlled mid train helpers.
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Amazed at Alan's speed and consistent quality of build with BCDR No2 and No 29, building and actually completing locos from scratch in a fraction of the time it takes me to design and carry out the test build of a similar kit.
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We tend to view our early railway experiences through rose tinted glass. Nostalgia for the past ignoring the realities of train travel. Those of us in our 60s hanker for the nostalgia of travelling in Supertrain, Craven and CIE built coaches during the 70s/early 80s, ignoring the high noise levels in conventional non-AC stock and the poor ride quality of the Cravens, the less said about the quality of CIE/IE track between 70s and early 2000s, travelling on a CIE/IE train was often a bone and ear shattering experience. I have a soft spot for British Railways first generation EMUs with their fast acceleration compared to loco hauled stock from weekend exploration and commuting on the Southern and London Midland during the 80s and curiously the Class 158 DMU for the way they revolutionised Cross-Country services in England and Wales and Intercity Services in Scotland.
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A single power unit should be suitable for a small layout. Peco recommend 16V A/C at 2amp and SL26 Lever Switch for PL-11 motors https://www.maurienne-trains.com/images/Image/Peco/PL-11 Instructions.pdf A CDU (capacitor discharge unit) improves reliability of operation especially if you want to throw two or more points at the one time. https://www.heathcote-electronics.co.uk/cdu.html
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Although I have done drafting for most of my adult life, 3D cad work or modelling is a relatively new ball game for me and the C&L & CVR vans first complete detailed models. The majority of my range of Irish Broad Gauge wagons were designed by a freelance designer, though recent variants/improvements to the "Standard Covered Wagon" are my own. Although the initial print was successful the CVR Van is on its second variant as the end steps were to thin on the original and tended to curl up! I am in the States and the moment and will post a photo of the completed van in approx. two weeks after we get back home. Once I sort out the 4mm versions the next step is to re-size to 7mm or larger to find out what happens. I will probably include some CVR vans in our next order from the Chinese supplier that prints our Broad Gauge wagons as the home printer is just not up to it for production printing in terms of consistency and quality of finish.
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Interestingly DGCs drawing shows the brake cylinder end of the van with modified end detail, though I haven't found a photo showing both ends of 1L though 2L appears to have dis-similar ends. Possibilities for a chassis are Backwoods Miniatures (more straightforward to assemble than Foxrock Models (Simon/Iain Rice) or 3D print.
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A Tale of two vans digital workshop. Clogher Valley Passenger Brake Van. I bought a pair of Clogher Valley Coaches and a Horsebox after Branchlines released the kits in the late 80s and later bought a pair of Backwoods Miniatures CVR Wagon/Van chassis and though it was time to complete the train by adding one of the distinctive 4w Passenger Brakes. The starting point was to find a suitable drawing in this case Dave Holman's sketch plans of the Passenger Brake and other CVR stock. Going down the 3D printing path, the first step was to prepare a 2D Cad drawing of the sides and ends from Dave's sketchs using the software I used for general Cad work including artwork for etched kits etc. The 2D drawings are then imported into a 3D modelling programme, in this case Fusion 360 as templates for designing the 3D model. Rendering of CVR Passenger Brake. Screenshot of Van body ready for printing. In all the 3D model took 2-3 days to complete, because of the small size of the 4mm model the bottom sliding door track is not really noticeable and the end steps tend to curl up! I found it necessary to use two different types of software because although my general CAD software has 3D capability its not really suitable for producing models for 3D printing and 3D modelling software has its limitations in terms of drawing 2D profiles, or maybe its just my age! Cavan and Leitrim Railway Milk Vans 1&2. Used as passenger brake vans on C&L Main Line trains in GSR and CIE days, these Ballinamore built vans were distinctly different in outline and appearance to the original Metropolitan Passenger Brake Vans. The starting point was to prepare a 2D tracing from DGCs 1961 drawing and photos from the IRRS Flickr Site. The research was interesting revealing considerable detail differences between the two vans during CIE ownership IL retaining its original side doors with droplights, while 2L lost its droplights, with different framing at (least)one end. The end posts on both vans had a distinctive inward taper from solebar to roof level a trap for the unwary The next step is to prepare a 3D model of the van which could take some time!
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