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Even if the BCDR had been open when any of these wagons were conceived, from photos I've seen, there appears to have been little to nothing in the way of goods traffic from outside the system. My guess is that the vast, vast majority of goods traffic was belfast to / from rural stations on the system. Thus, few NCC or GNR wagons, let alone anythiong from further south. For an accurate representation of the BCDR, scratchbuilt goods stock would really be needed (or kits???)

That is an absolute masterpiece.

You're right - hadn't seen the toilets. Therefore, it is one of two types; (1) the 1119-31 series of 13 such built in 1914/5, all of which saw in the 1960s, with the first withdrawn in 1961 but the rest lasting until between 1967 and 1970. The latter would have ended up black'n'tan. Or, (b) the 877-896 series, 20 of which were built in 1907. Of these, 15 were still in use in 1961, though all were gone by 1964.

I'd say it's not at all beyond the bounds of possibility that a Deutz logo on at least one of them might have been picked out in green!

That wooden one is a GSWR non-corridor third of 1910-20 vintage.

Couldn't agree more. Sacrilege!!!

This is precisely why I like this period as a basis for modelling. You can run steam alongside B101, B121, A, C, E401 & G601 class diesels up to the start of 1963; and while the steam disappears after that, the B141s enter stage left. Wagons - old GSWR & GSR, with an extremely occasional DSER or MGWR type, may all be seen together wearing darker or lighter grey; the former with painted pale green or qwhite snails, latter with stencilled white snails. (No brown till a decade later). But in addition, all the new standard CIE types from Bullied opens to "H"s. Carriages - you've old wooden stuff from GSR, GSWR, MGWR and a (very rew) ex-DSER or CBSCR in both green liveries, plus in the first three categories some in black'n'tan too. Amongst these are new CIE stock in silver, or lighter green, or black'n'tan; plus ex-GNR stock either in GNR brown, GNR navy & cream, CIE light green or black'n'tan. Add the tin vans in green, silver or black'n'tan. At no point before or since was it possible to get a mix like that. The reality was that at the very point when motive power was changing from steam to diesel, the railway had gathered together the last few of a myriad of different types of everything, which were now being added to and gradually replaced by brand new stuff; and in the midst of all of that, the railway had five diesel loco liveries and four for carriages all at the same time, as WELL as "imported" GNR types - blue or blaxck steam engines, and two GNR liveries. And it was not even a case of "all old carriages are green, all new ones black'n'tan". Some older vehicles, built in the 1910s or 20s, were newly turned out in black'n'tan, while a "new" coach (say, a laminate built in 1958) was still green. A final twist to the tale with the six-wheelers. These, within that period, still held sway on a handful of branch lines, all being the lighter green by then. Early 1963 saw the end of any passenger six-wheelers, but as we know from the Hattons release, three or four six-wheel full vans remained in traffic after that, until the late 60s, and were painted black and tan, and therefore will have seen use alongside Cravens! The latter, otherwise, would never have run with any six-wheelers. Incidentally, this is why only the six-wheel full brake is offered in black'n'tan - in green, it ran with passenger-carrying six-wheelers, but in black'n'tan it would only have run with bogie stock. No passenger 6 wheeler was repainted black'n'tan. A pity, perhaps; sheer curiosity makes me wonder what a Midland 6-wheel third would have looked like in that guise!

ME!!!

This is showing GREAT promise. I like the idea of a Waterford line going from Bagenalstown to New Ross to Waterford!

Surplus to requirements! Silverfox ex-GNR K15 coach in a green livery. For sale £90 sterling / €110 + post, i.e. exactly what it cost me, no more. Never used, but lightly weathered. Livery completely wrong, as common with Irish Silverfox stuff, this is of course an issue for some of us, but not important to others! Can meet in greater Dublin or Belfast areas.

D16s!!!! Drooool

Should have added - Mousa Models of Scotland, which I believe is partly defunct due to retirement of proprietor, used to offer a nice brass kit of a six-wheeled first class family saloon. The coach is North British Railway in origin, but like the Hattons Genesis stuff it is sufficiently GSWR-esque to look at home in a fictitious West Kerry setting, downgraded to a second class coach by the late 1950s. Nice looking yoke, though it has to be ordered well in advance. It is definitely WAAY out of my league now and for some time to come, but I'd be keen to eventually see what I could do with that.

As a first attempt, I'm happy ernough. I was inveigled into trying this out by Michael Doolan, a Dublin-based member of the gauge 0 Guild, who some here will know. So I've been learning the ropes - or trying to. I saw a piucture online somewhere of a small Wickham car used in some other country - might have been in South America, I forget, which had black "wasp" stripes on each end, which i though looked well. But I went instead for a somewhat work-worn plain CIE-style "factory finish". The window wipers were super-fiddly, and I made a hames of those, but next time hopefully better. Next thing I'm attempting is a small four-wheeled passenger luggage van, similar to some early GSWR ones, which is on offer from Roxey. It's close enough to look Irish. I remember seeing the four Wickhams like the one above all over the system in the 1970s, usually stuffed away up a weedy siding somewhere.......... I will alternate parking this one between Dugort loco siding as shown, and Castletown West loco yard or cattle bank.

This evening a PW inspection has taken place, and a tin car has visited Dugort Harbour where it will remain at the disposal of the south-western division PW engineer until 1973. Its home will be here or in the spare loco siding at Castletown. We’ll say nothing about the time when the senior porter in charge, his uncle out the Tully Road, and yer man who likes the Beatles and lives next to the Volkswagen dealer in town, took it for a spin out to Caltragh and back at 4 a.m. after a lock-in in McLaughlins, in order to leave the O’Shea girls back to the gatehouse…. My first foray into brass and soldering. Thanks to Des for the kit (SSM) and Michael for his tuition and long-suffering patience with a rank amateur.

Wish I’d seen this earlier! Just completed one this very day, as my own first foray into brass and soldering….!

Looks amazing! Can’t wait to the “shipper” and a Vs-hauled “Enterprise” passing through!

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Yes, she kept her GSR plates to the end, as did a very small minority of CIE locomotives. Numberplates were always body colour, just painted over black on a black loco or grey on a grey loco (the majority). The edging of the plate and raised numbers were picked out in a very pale yellow. The only exceptions to this were the three 800s and two narrow gauge engines, the latter two having numerals edged in red. 560 looks black in its last 2 years or so, but those who recorded what engines were painted black don’t mention it, nor any other member of that class. The plate I had, though, when cleaned was a very dark grey. Numbers were faded pale yellow. In GSR days, certainly, some engines had plates just completely painted over, with the numbers not picked out at all, and others had them as polished metal, which looked silver - the plates were not brass! Senior took a photo of two 0.6.0s (a J18 and a J15) newly painted at Inchicore in the mid 1930s. Both had polished, rather than pale yellow, raised numbers on their plates, and that’s how they went back into traffic.

Yes, saw the list but no pictures..........

Plus several livery variations - MGWR lined green, MGWR lined black, MGWR unlined black, GSR grey, CIE grey (painted number instead of cast numberplate). From Clements / O'Neills notes, it seems none were black in later days, though final photos of 560 do LOOK black - maybe it was belatedly painted black at the end. I posessed one of its numberplates at on e time, and when cleaned it was very definitely dark grey with faded pale yellow numerals. Like many an apparently-black loco in the last few years, oily rags could have been the culprit; but no matter - five variations of a livery is presumably plenty!

Reading all these posts, a few comments. Yes, 00 scale is a compromise in many ways. Even for its intended scale gauge of 4' 8 1/2" the track isn't right. For scale irish standard gauge, it's positively narrow gauge in scale terms. A stout 9 inch square gatepost in scale is just 3mm wide. A farm-style wooden post that you'd make a post-and-wire fence out of might be under one millimetre in thickness if to scale. Thus, the smaller the scale you're dealing with, the "coarser", and thicker, and thus less to scale, are the smaller pieces you're making. With my extremely belated forays into what galteemore of this forum describes as the "burnt fingers club", i.e. brass modelling, this certainly seems the finest and most durable so far, for extremely small fiddy things. Mind you, one's manual dexterity and eyesight might make such things hard to assemble, but that's another issue. Early 3D stuff was so crude and rough it was instantly dismissable to any modeller, not just those who wanted accurate fine detail. But 3D seems to be advancing in absolute leaps and bounds. I am lucky enough to have several of the late Ken McElhinney's wagons and one of his (sadly, never to be developed) six-wheel DSER coaches. These were made with what was state of the art 3D printing at the time of his unfortunate passing. So 3D, as many wiser than me will suggest, seems to be definitely the way we are going. To anyone making anything, the finer you can get from day one, the better. A fairly crude, perhaps slightly overscale model will satisfy those who aren't concerned about accuracy or detail, and just want something which is fairly representative, but it won't satisfy people who want something more realistic. But if it's as realistic as it can be from day one, it will satisfy both those groups and all in between. Personally I would take a couple of pairs of gates, especially as I hope to be shortly in a position to get going with more scenic work. There are many types. the MGWR, for example, had a unique design of their own, used on the Clifden, Achill, Killala, Kingscourt and several other branches. I know they used other types too, though - the "starburst" (or a variant of it) amongst them. Similarly the GSWR, and I saw a picture of a "starburst" on the Castlegregory branch somewhere too. So, thumbs up from me, anyway!

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Not as outlandish an idea as it might seem to some, by any means - 00 Works sold out their (admittedly, probably very small run of) the West Cork 472 class saddle tanks, about as obsure as you could get. And they made it vaiable as with a few detail alterations, it "became" several british prototypes too.

Pictures?