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It also means more Provincial "H" vans, as I'll need a few brown ones too!o Dont forget cattle wagons, Glenderg!

It also means more Provincial "H" vans, as I'll need a few brown ones too!

Damn! Damn! Damn! My plans for an exclusively 1950s / 60s collection is now up in smoke! I'm going to have to have ferts and Guinness traffic......yes, shtick me down for some! This means I'll also need a "Supertrain"-liveried 141......!

Green..... accurate, though in this light, and with new paint, as under the floodlights at Ballyglunin for the "Quiet Man" scenes, the dark green shows as bright as it ever was. After being in traffic, it toned down and could look a bit darker and a lot "flatter". The above weathered would do the trick on a model. EDN shows accurately here - on my screen anyway!

That is certainly true initially, though I don't know at what time they decided to let 071s in there.

Hot off the press, thanks to Robert Gardiner, GM of DCDR: the pre-1955 dark green, post-1955 mid green and the EDN paints are coded as follows: Dark Green is BS381C/227 Lighter Green is RAL6001 Eau de Nil is BS381C/216 The last one I'm not sure about on paper, but on vehicles at Downpatrick it is quite correct.

Mighty stuff indeed, Paddy - superb!

I have to say, folks, if there's a load of new stuff all together on the market, like many here I certainly can't afford to buy it. For a number of reasons I'm VERY financially committed this year. However, since I know from above comments I'm not alone, surely the answer is that the various items concerned will simply sell that bit slower - thus enabling a bit of saving. In my case, I'll prioritise. I'm still trying to pick up the odd thing that was offered for sale a few years ago but is now sold out - but these were snapped up at the time (e.g. Mayner's excellent tin vans). If all these new things appear at once, the rate of buying will hopefully slow to the extent that we'll mostly all get a bite of the pie... Hopefully, anyway....

Exactly..... all of us would need to be looking at the real thing in daylight, and a model, not a computer screen!

And they're potentially blocking the way for emergency services. Idiots like this put people's lives at risk, like that stupid woman who went SWIMMING and had to have a lifeline thrown to her. Natural selection......

Mostly A class by far, occasionally 071 also from time to time. I don't know of any reason why a "pair" or 121 / 141 / 181 types couldn't also haul them, though I can't think of examples of it happening.

I would echo that entirely - we've never had it so good. ALL the manufacturers here have taken a big commercial risk in catering for what is actually a tiny market - but with such quality. hats off - to Murphys, Des, Leslie, and everyone else, and IRM.

Sheer artistry. Older green paints tended to show a yellowy tint when weathered, as the yellow pigment they used lasted better than the blue. The little yellowish tints you have included perfectly illustrate paintwork that is well overdue a repaint = absolutely prototypically for the time. The danger in West Cork and other places seemed to be that once they DID get around to repainting it, closure was imminent!

Damn! Damn! Damn! My plans for an exclusively 1950s / 60s collection is now up in smoke! I'm going to have to have ferts and Guinness traffic......yes, shtick me down for some! This means I'll also need a "Supertrain"-liveried 141......!

I saw that fella on the Enniskerry Road earlier..................... (I got the last pan loaf........cost me €120 but I sold it later on ebay for €1000....)

From the above, clearly one might get the exact EDN shade by one part 14E50 and two parts 216. The RAL 6021 is the closest of all of them, by far, without alteration.

That's pretty good, yes. The dark green - providing the computer screen shows it accurately - is just right. The EDN looks fine too - there appears to be a slight difference between the paint and the transfer, but it's close enough. The close-up pic of the paint pot above, however, for the EDN looks fine to me. Interesting...... firstly, the same EDN for both green periods, as the transfers didn't change for numerals etc. Above, the green paint on the coach, to be honest, isn't quite right for the lighter shade - from viewing on a computer it seems almost as if it has an "olivey green" shade in it. somewhere. The open pots, though - left hand about the right darkness but a bit yellowy. the pot on the right more like it but a bit dark. We're getting there, folks! A valuable exercise, though it's bound to drive some readers mad! :-)

Brilliant, thanks!

I don't recall that, John - it was certainly never formally discussed. It's possible there were informal conversations about it though. Had it happened, Mike, what would now be there would be a line to the lake shore, with trains operated by SLNCR "B", NCC 1, with a G and 2 MGWR six wheelers as back up. And - would you believe - possibly a 2750 on loan from IE! There's a story behind THAT too!

C class!!

Yes, they are / were; always. On Eoin's comparison, the right hand one looks better. The actual colours available seem to veer between either to yellowy or too much blue - see avatar left for exact version. The lining - the single line on the lighter green livery is , I think 3 inches thick. Maybe 2 1/2. If anyone is close to Downpatrick or has access to the heritage RPSI set in Dublin, or the CIE green dining car at Whitehead, that can be measured. For the earlier green livery, the band above the windows looks to be about 8 or maybe 9 inches thick. The band below the windows is wider on the Bachmann coach model - this is entirely incorrect - it should be much narrower, possibly 6 inches. I will try to ascertain this. As can be seen on the film clip, on both buses and carriages the EDN bands were edged with black and gold. On snails and numerals, lined gold.

Correct. Lined ones on tenders of steam engines,* buses, road lorries, all carriages in older dark green, and some in the lighter post-55 green. Unlined on other lighter green coaches, and painted (smaller) on wagons prior to about 1955-ish; light green before that date, white after. Narrow gauge - West Clare generally no snails at all, but certainly in later years where present (and that was few!) unlined. The C & L had both lined and unlined. (* Note: Beware the incorrect tender "snails"; they were never, ever white, yellow, cream or gold! The short-lived RPSI yellow snails on 461 and 184 in the 1990s were entirely incorrect. It's the cabside numerals that were pale yellow only...) Yes. I do think, given all the posts above, that differing computer screens among all of us make online comparisons unreliable. To an extent. Initially done, they were all the same as paints were mixed with accuracy, and if we are looking at "snails", they were all standard transfers from Tearnes of Birmingham. Different lighting and wear and tear can make colours look "flatter" as some pigments fade quicker than others. Again, I think the solution to this will be a field visit, and again I would offer that if anyone here can match accurately from an actual example I can lend a suitable actual paint sample.

Could be the computer screens..... Possibly best to look at original. What I might do is take a scoot up to Enniskillen some day. I actually have a bit of metal at home here with the dark green on it. If anyone has the technology or something, to copy it accurately, please ping me and I'll make it available.

I'm fascinated by that tatty weathered finish to the shed doors also...what way did you do it? The buildings I'll be starting on soon will ideally look like that - somewhat "seen better days" look!

And long may you make your pronouncements, Robert! NIR actually use "train station" on their signage in several locations!