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Hi Dave, There were 66 4w 30' luggage (hooded) vans 2700-2765, built about 1957 weighing over 10T with central double doors on both sides. There were 52 4w 30' Heating (Tin) Vans 3101-3141 (1955), 3142-3147 (1959), 3148-3152 (1960) weighing about 21T due to the addition of the boiler centrally with two sets of double doors on each side fore and aft of the boiler for luggage storage. No 3153-3156 were 6w 30' heating vans weighing over 28T due to the presence of two boilers, for a total of 56 4w/6w steam heating vans. There were 10 4w 30' post Office Sorting Vans 2962-2971 (c. 1958) weighing about 13.5T in addition to existing TPOs and some bogies TPOs that followed Hopefully I am answering the question that you asked Info from Pender & Richards book in pub. 1967

Like that orange, Noel! Never really liked the weathering on 183. Doesn't seem authentic in that pale 'splashed by cement' look, with little dirt beneath. Probably ok for it's time but prefer the darker weathering dome by one of the weathering masters on the site. Was this truly representative of the external appearance of one of the 181s in traffic at one of the cement factories?

Nice job, John. Thanks for the tips

Would be interested in this somewhat unique van. At least one maybe two

I was hoping for something other than the ivory livery, but predictably that has been produced first. I'm going to hold off for the orange wagons and I do not recall these being as heavily weathered as the ivory version. They may have been. I would prefer to have them pristine or very lightly weathered

According to John, there is a large water tank in that single compartment and only three passenger compartments behind, so I'm guessing yes. Not exactly, Rich. John has to special order them with minimum numbers for particular ones. I was interested (and still am) in some of these sides but no one else wanted any at that time, so didn't really have enough for a minimum order. That being said as my interest in CIE produced stock has expanded backward in time to pre BnT (and seeing John's examples now and Kirley's before), I would be interested in some for each era now. Was also interested in full width/length coaches but I suspect these may be some time away as John has so many projects on the go (Well done, John) K

Jayzus, look at the state of 081! Modern containers are a new direction for you, Kieran and looking very well too!

Let us know the outcomes of your deliberations with yourself over there

112 was on loan to IE for a considerable period hence the small replacement parts on the cab side windows and marker lights which were replaced with newer LEDs Definitely wandering off her cross border routes, as if proof was required .... Great site! One thing about Flick is that it tends to have newer photos on there for the most part. Lots of other sites with great older pics

Some of what was on Irish Rails in 1995, just a sample

The locomotive you have chosen to start it all with, MM0078 is in the last of the orange liveries that were used on the 071 class by Iarnrod Eireann. The overall livery was unchanged from the previous color scheme that was introduced by Irish Rail in 1987 bearing the "IR" or "set of points" logo. The new "IE" logo was introduced in 1994 by Iarnrod Eireann and is generally referred to as the "three-pin-plug" logo. The logo on the side of the locomotive normally completely spans the black band and white Tippex stripes, extending slightly onto the orange bands above and below. The logo on your locomotive is the small version of the "three-pin-plug" logo. Only three 071 class locomotives had this particular small logo on the side, if I remember correctly they were 076, 078 and 086. http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/3532-IE-Small-Logo?highlight=small+logo" The small versions of the logo were all replaced with the larger version later on. As has been pointed out above not everything was repainted on the same day, major repaints occurring usually when the locomotive came in for a major overhaul. Therefore, it would have been very common to see locomotives with either logo running side-by-side with the newer logo which gradually becoming more common with time. Although equipped for multiple working, the 071 class did not want normally "double-head" (any photos of this online are usually in the circumstance where one loco has actually failed and being hauled by the other. It would not be unusual to see a consist of 141 class locomotives, one with the "set of points" and one with the "three-pin-plug" pulling a train. I doubt that any 071 class remained in "Supertrain" livery by the time the "three-pin-plug" delivery was first introduced in 1994. 071 class would have them run on the mainline with the MkIII coaches in the "Intercity" livery and hauled freight with increasing in frequency in particular with the arrival of the 201 class. These had an original livery such as MM0203 (Hattons of Liverpool) and a full face like MM0210 River Erne. 201 class locomotives are easy enough to come by. 071 Class still available for purchase from model shops in Ireland in the UK. Marks models have a sale recently and if he is still on, they have a great variety of 071 class locomotives still available and the amount you would save on the sale will certainly cover the postage to the United Kingdom. Other 071s such as MM0077 is in stock at Rails of Sheffield. I think Flickr is a great resource for inform yourself of the great variety of things that ran together. One of our members albums https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishswissernie/albums/72157629465365997 141 Class locomotives are harder to come by but still turn up for sale on this site, at exhibitions, mostly in Ireland, I would say to be fair, and in places like eBay. If you don;t mind paying a little over the odd you can get them if you're patient. Murphy models will be releasing the long-awaited 121 class near the end of the year including the three pin plug livery which I'm sure it will sell out like hotcakes. The book that Rich mentions above is a great resource. The third edition was printed about 1987, right when the "set of points" livery was being introduced. There are some slightly later books e.g. “Irish Railways Traction and Travel” by Peter Jones, Published by Metro Enterprises Ltd. that may be helpful The 1994 edition may be of interest; The ex-BR Mk2a coaches were purchased about 1992 to augment the existing Mark2a coaches. They were air-braked (most others were vacuum braked) and ran with the 071 class locomotives. There are plenty of pictures of the Mk2a (& others) at RailfanEurope.net http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ie/car/IE/pix.html Backmann/Murphy models produced to Mk2a coaches in both IR and IE Intercity liveries but that must've been 15 years ago and these coaches are harder to find. Lima MkIII coaches turn up from time to time but be slightly careful when you're purchasing these as they can be found into slightly different colors one more orange, the latter a more yellow shade. Excellent tread on stock here http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/showthread.php/157-LIMA-Murphy-Models/page3?highlight=wrenneire+lima+murphy Some of the Cravens coaches persisted into the mid 90s, some still in their original blacker rather than later livery (with top Tippex and orange band) near the cantrail. These would've run on secondary services such as Friday only services e.g. Dublin Sligo etc. Last of the MM Cravens can still be found in the usual places. Hope this helps K

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I guess I assumed that changing the deceleration CVs on the chip would simulate coasting. If decel CV is set to minimal deceleration then the train should coast but will eventually stop without any braking (although unless you have a very large layout it might take more than a few circuits of the 'standard' layout). I tried a friend's RealDrive equipped sound chip in my 079SA and if I recall correctly it stopped from whatever speed it was doing after about 2.5 circuits of a 8x4' layout. Not practical for prototypical stopping to throttle off a scale mile of two down the track and hope to hit the stopping point, I grant you. I supposed that 'braking' temporarily changed the decel CVs setting to slow the loco when F4 is toggled on or off, just like there has to be some change in these settings when 'light engine' is selected. Thanks for your thoughts on the sound chips. Really liked the RealDrive when I ran the loco. Will be investing in these at some point, I think. Sorry if this is drifting off but JT22 did bring the subject up... EDIT: Thanks, IT, Noticed you typing away at the same time. very interesting. Would be interested in your post at some point when you can

Great thread, Noel. Very interested in this era also. Love all those previous threads of a similar nature by jhb171achill. I'm not sure if it's realized how much interest there might be in this era. I think there would be huge interest if more rtf locos were available. Yes, I know there are options but not like heading into the model store and picking your MM model etc.

Haven't seen a trailer for it here yet. Thanks for that, gfg!

Amazing job, Bren

Another Mirolo job

Can 'Real Drive' be programmed on the Murphy ESU chip by fiddling with the CVs? I'm curious how RealDrive is achieved that couldn't be done with any decoder or is it just preprogrammed for you? JT22, you should try the lights on any DC piece of track if you have an old transformer, neighbor's kid set or whatever.

True, but I picked up one in last year. I can't remember where, probably on the 'Bay but I don't recall that I paid wildly over the odds for it. Maybe lucky Actually that seller is very accommodating, and will post to Ireland. He has sent some things to the US for me. You have another if you haven't acquired a Shannon

Yes. shame the photo didn't load

I think they are filling nozzles for the water tanks for the gennys

Love the variety of rolling stock on Kirley junction

Love it!

Very nice indeed. Love the realistic track work and cattle banks

Would be better kept in reserve for the Grand Anglican or summat