Kevin Sweeney Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 It just struck me that a brick building will be easier to survey, than a stone building. Presuming the bricks are a standard size, once I measure one brick, it should be possible to work out sizes easily and precisely from photos by counting the bricks. I also see on Google earth, I can get a good view from above, from Clifton Terrace. So I must bring my long lens as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scahalane Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Kevin Sweeney said: I may get back to you on that. I have an hour and a half tomorrow to do my survey of Kent. If I overlook anything I may get onto you to help fill in the gaps. As a musician I will try to get the survey wrapped up with some time to spare and play a few tunes on the piano. You'll have to model the piano. I'd come and meet you but I'm up the walls with work at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcorkrailway Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 There often is somone going away at the piano. It does improve the atmosphere of the station. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 25, 2023 Author Share Posted January 25, 2023 I had a great day yesterday, almost 9 hours riding trains. Got 140 photos and lots of measurements in Kent. I wanted a challenge, well I certainly got one now. This will be a real test of my skills but it is a very beautiful station. And I'm looking forward to it. It's not looking good for railway station pianos. I had two sessions on the Heuston piano, which is a very nice instrument with a very nice tone, but the Connolly and Kent pianos are gone. The dining options in Kent were limited to sambos and a coffee machine from Easons, which was a disappointment as I was planning to have lunch in Kent. Connolly is also quite poor for dining options, whereas Hueston is a veritable cornucopia, with many options. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 27, 2023 Author Share Posted January 27, 2023 I've been working on Kent for the last three days, and two things have become apparent to me. First my surveying skills are poor, particularly when applied to a large, complex building like Kent. Secondly all my modelling experience has been with straight lines and right angles, curves are a whole new ball game. I gave serious thought to giving up on Kent and picking an alternative project, but it is such a beautiful building and it would make an amazing centre piece for my train room, so I must persist. To develop some relevant skills, I'm going to build the Station House in Mullingar. This will give me a chance to improve my surveying skills on a much smaller building, much closer to home, and to get some experience with designing and building curves. Once I complete that another trip to Cork is on the cards. On the plus side while there are many more windows in Kent than in Belturbet, they are very simple and it will take a lot less time to cut out the many windows of Kent than it did to cut out the very complex windows of Belturbet. Photo below shows my limited progress on Kent. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 (edited) Looks a good start. I do like the thought process you are exemplifying here - not giving up but finding an alternative route. Edited January 27, 2023 by Galteemore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scahalane Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 I recognize it straight away so that's a good start. Yip curves will triple the work load and break your heart but keep with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) Goodness knows how long scahalane's mega project has been going, Kevin, but this is a fine start. Things like this take time - which is why I stick to smaller projects - there always seems to be something new appear, that I then want to model. Ephemeral? Moi...? So much respect for guys who can stick with the dream and see it through. Edited January 28, 2023 by David Holman 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 9 hours ago, David Holman said: Goodness knows how long scahalane's mega project has been going, Kevin, but this is a fine start. Things like this take time - which is why I stick to smaller projects - there always seems to be something new appear, that I then want to model. Ephemeral? Moi...? So much respect for guys who can stick with the dream and see it through. I used to build model ships when I was a young man and just like this project, it took many months to get a final result, whereas with model buildings in n scale it is possible to get a finished product in a few weeks. This build may take a year. Although maybe longer as summer is not really my modelling season. 15 hours ago, scahalane said: I recognize it straight away so that's a good start. Yip curves will triple the work load and break your heart but keep with it. I will keep with it, I'm blessed (or cursed) with a very stubborn personality. I hate to give up once I've committed no matter the cost in time or effort. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 I'm going to invest in a budget laser cutter. I'm thinking of an Atomstack A5 Laser Engraving Machine,20W. In theory I should be able to do my drawings in Inkscape, save them, convert the file and send it to the laser cutter. The plan is to use it to cut the 1 mm greyboard parts that are the main structural parts of my models. If this works out it will save an amazing amount of hours on the Kent build. It should also cut perfect curves, which will be a blessing with Kent. I've looked at a few tutorial videos on Youtube and it looks a straightforward and simple enough business. Do any of you have an experience with laser cutters ? I've also discovered that counting bricks on photos is an reasonably accurate way to measure a brick building. I've done the basic Inkscape drawing of the inside south wall of the train shed. My drawing worked out at 925 mm, when I measured the curve on the OS map it was 922.35 mm. Less than 1.5 feet out over a distance of 462.5 feet is close enough for modelling. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 29, 2023 Author Share Posted January 29, 2023 I spent the day researching laser cutters and decided instead to buy a cutting machine. I'm going to buy a Cricut Maker 3 cutting machine. It will cut out the 1 mm mountboard, just like a laser cutter but it will also cut out texture sheets and windows, unlike a laser cutter. It is a much safer machine, no risk of blinding myself or the cats with it. It has no fire risk and produces no fumes. A more expensive option initially and it will require replacement blades and cutting mats. But a safer and more versatile option for my requirements. All going well I will be using my craft knife a lot less in the near future. I was convinced to go with the cutting machine, after watching Alan Davis's Youtube channel Alan's Trains. Alan is a native of Stockton (what a name that is in railway history), in Durham, who lives in Australia and has created a brilliant OO scratch build layout based of his home town, He has recreated many historical building, including Stockton Station. In scale and ambition, and in modelling a real place, his layout is reminiscent of scahalane's Kent Station. And like scahalane his modelling skills are first class. Well worth a look. (49) Alan's Trains - YouTube He is also a dab hand with Inkscape and I picked up a few tips watching his videos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scahalane Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 I have the silver bullet die cutter and they're a great machine. I used it to cut all the windows for Kent. Great time saver, you won't regret it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Witchcraft! Much as I (mostly) enjoy the traditional methods, if I was starting again, I'd certainly be investigating this stuff, because everything has its place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Mrs Galteemore is a bit of a polymath in the crafting arena. She has identified this machine as a most useful way of cutting carriage sides etc…https://createandcraft.com/product/332561/brother-scanncut-sdx900-machine-with-2-x-look-learn-craft-usbs-best-of-cutting-craftorium-svg-usb/0?utm_campaign=campaign: Mon BAU 30%2F01%2F23 (63d3d58b17a2d100209e4129)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend&omnisendContactID=6214c4da4d841c001dbac99e 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 9 hours ago, David Holman said: Witchcraft! Much as I (mostly) enjoy the traditional methods, if I was starting again, I'd certainly be investigating this stuff, because everything has its place. When I told my wife about cutting machines, she said is that cheating. It maybe but it will be a blessing for my late middle aged eyes and hands, and should allow me to go on modelling for many years to come. 8 hours ago, Galteemore said: Mrs Galteemore is a bit of a polymath in the crafting arena. She has identified this machine as a most useful way of cutting carriage sides etc…https://createandcraft.com/product/332561/brother-scanncut-sdx900-machine-with-2-x-look-learn-craft-usbs-best-of-cutting-craftorium-svg-usb/0?utm_campaign=campaign: Mon BAU 30%2F01%2F23 (63d3d58b17a2d100209e4129)&utm_medium=email&utm_source=omnisend&omnisendContactID=6214c4da4d841c001dbac99e Yes they seem like an amazing machine, for many different kinds of crafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted January 31, 2023 Author Share Posted January 31, 2023 I'm well on with the basic Inkscape drawings for the main building, maybe 65% there. It was an epic day of counting bricks. More brick counting tomorrow. I have a ready made baseboard, made of 2mm greyboard, a left over baseboard, from my first temporary shelf layout. I have cut out a template of the trackbed, from 2mm greyboard. I will also cut out templates of the platforms and the main building. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 Fascinating stuff and looking forward to seeing things progress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted February 2, 2023 Author Share Posted February 2, 2023 (edited) I have some more drawings done. i created a drawing with lines converging on a vanishing point. This allowed me to design the finished platform texture sheet (top two items in photo below), and also a template for the train shed roof. My roof will have 41 trusses. I will use the template when assembling the roof. It's coming along nicely. I got my cutting machine today. I'm awaiting a further delivery before i can test it, but it is talking to my pc. Edited February 2, 2023 by Kevin Sweeney 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted February 3, 2023 Author Share Posted February 3, 2023 More drawings I've redone the converging line drawing and I now have a definitive plan. There will be 52 trusses. Doing this drawing was conceptionally very useful. At the start I saw the building as a long curve, viewed from the Dublin or Cobh end. I now see it from the river side view, as a series of slices. This makes it easier to envisage and hopefully to build. I have a few more days to work at drawings and will hopefully have my drawings and cutting machine ready within the week. And then the building will commence. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted February 9, 2023 Author Share Posted February 9, 2023 Finally got the cutting machine operating, have been wasting lots of time and material playing with it. But I have begun work on the platforms. I'm making a framework 12 mm high for the platforms (and the main building), using 1 mm card. I'm able to cut out the parts on the cutting machine. they are a good fit so I can assemble them dry, shape them on the plan, making sure to get the curve right. Only then do I glue them A 1 mm sub platform will go on top and it's finished off with the platform texture sheet glued to 200 gsm cards. There will be a 1 mm thick wall trackside. This assembly will be glued to the baseboard. This is all fairly straightforward, except for the subway ramps in both platforms which require custom sections. I'm delighted with the cutting machine. The ribs and stringers required to make these platform structures would take many, many hours to cut by hand. Once I get the hang of it, it should be possible to cut out the main parts of an average model in 15 minutes. Planning to build a big structure like Kent is an interesting learning curve in it self. On a smaller model a small error in scaling at the beginning will be a minor error at the end. On a huge building like Kent a small error at the beginning will be a big error at the end. So my planning, scaling and design skills are being tested like never before. And that's not to mention the curves. It's been two and a half weeks, of drawings, mapping, surveying and testing. But it's now time to start building. Below a few shots of the modest progress. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted March 12, 2023 Author Share Posted March 12, 2023 Slow progress, so far. It was the curves of Kent that seduced me and Scahalane warned me that everything would take three times as long because of the curves. He was correct. It has been a very steep learning curve (pun intended) so far. There are still a lot of design and construction problems to be solved, so slow progress will be the order of the day for a while yet. Given the scale of this project, I may complete it over a few years rather than in one year, which will allow me to work on other smaller projects in the mean time. I have several smaller projects in mind, including the oldest house in my parish, a plantation building, which dates back to the late 1600s or early 1700s. Unfortunately the days are getting longer and the garden is going to have to get some attention soon. I hate the way real life impinges on modelling. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 One of my last construction projects in Ireland had buildings with curved walls and other interesting architectural features, involved a lot of technical challenges and took a lot longer to build than "normal' buildings, but turned out well and became a local landmark in the end. Down the years I have used American N gauge rtr and Large Scale (1:20.3) rtr to get something up and running quickly as a diversion from my Irish Broad and Narrow Gauge modelling or I simply wanted to play trains and get away from the research and scratch/kit building. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Davey Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Looks great - that will be a very sturdy platform construction. Mighty stuff! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted April 27, 2023 Author Share Posted April 27, 2023 Kent Station is on hold. I'm working with a good friend, who is a professional artist, to put together a funding proposal to make a diorama of Cavan station for public display. As a part of this I made a farmhouse and outbuildings, as a time and motion study. This model has taken 15 hours so far. It took exactly 4 hours to do the Inkscape drawings. An hour to cut the parts out, by hand, and 9 hours to build. Only the downpipes, sills and chimney pots are left to do. So another hour should finish it. I was away for a few days last week and spent a day in Cork. I done a further survey of Kent, and discovered that there is an alarming lack of consistently in the building. For example windows that look the same can have a 4 inch difference in width. When in Cork I also went out to the Lee Road and surveyed the Old Water Works. To my eyes this is the most beautiful industrial architecture in Ireland, with its mix of limestone, sandstone and brick. A sublime masterpiece. It is near the top of my list of future projects. The architect Sir John Benson also submitted an unsuccessful plan for Kent Station based on the Houses of Parliament on College Green. 12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Now that is a stunner. Waiting for an excuse to have a model railway built around it, methinks. Cavan station is a little beauty too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted July 6, 2023 Author Share Posted July 6, 2023 I'm still working on the funding for Cavan station. In the meantime I completed this small diorama of Tully Methodist Church, KIlnaleck, Co Cavan. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted September 1, 2023 Author Share Posted September 1, 2023 I've gone back to the beginning of this thread and am back working on Ballywillan. I'm going to complete it as a diorama. The baseboards are made from 2 mm greyboard, which gives a very strong and light structure. The baseboards will be in two parts. Tracks layed and ballasted. Next the platforms. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted October 29, 2023 Author Share Posted October 29, 2023 I got distracted again, this time by Cavan Town Hall. Built in 1901 as the HQ of Cavan Urban Council, it it now the towns arts centre. I made my stage debut here in a boy scout pantomime in the mid 1970s. Making good progress with the build so far. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 29, 2023 Share Posted October 29, 2023 Hard to believe that is 2mm scale... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 I finally got a baseboard built and am ready to start laying track. I purchased Anyrail software which I find very good. This will be the first part of my layout which will be rural. It's 4.8 meters long by 0.8 wide. The track will be flat but the ground will be hilly rising towards the back of the layout. I'm using set track for the curves and flex track for the straights. The track at the back will be hidden behind the hills and maybe covered with a lid of removable scenery, in case of derailments. The storage yard at the back, will need to be visible for operations so I'm thinking of a cliff face to hide it behind. There will be big hills at both ends and the track will emerge from tunnels at both ends. The buildings will include, a stately home (Bellmont), two farmhouses, a country station (not Ballywillan, maybe Crossdoney), a pub (Gilligans at Ballywillan), a shop (my Great Grandmothers shop), an Anglican church and Glebe house, a creamery (Graignamana), a crossing keepers cottage, a labourers cottage and a distillery (yet to be built). There will be a main road running the length of the layout roughly parallel to the track, a cross roads and a side road with a level crossing. I have an area on the other side of the room which will allow me another baseboard about 2/3 the size of this one. The plan is a single track branch line, starting at the back of this board, crossing the mainline, running along the adjoining wall (non scenic), and ending at a terminus station, probably based on Sligo or Limerick. This section will be urban and include a port, and a curved viaduct. An urban scene will give me lots of scope to indulge in my passion for making buildings. With a distillery on one side of the room and a port on the other, I can operate freight trains between the two. I'm looking forward to getting the track down and finally getting to run trains. Even though all the building will be Irish, all my rolling stock is British. The storage yard will hold seven trains. Bellmont House will be on a hill. The big shots looking down on the plebs. The bridge top left will carry the branch line over the main line and on to the city. Can't wait to get some of these running, They have all been run in, but most have never hauled a coach or wagon. My pride and joy. Still in the box, never even been run in. Really can't wait to see this beauty in action. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Snail Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Kevin Sweeney said: The track at the back will be hidden behind the hills and maybe covered with a lid of removable scenery, in case of derailments. The storage yard at the back, will need to be visible for operations so I'm thinking of a cliff face to hide it behind. There will be big hills at both ends and the track will emerge from tunnels at both ends. Judging by your buildings to date, I'm really looking forward to seeing all the different aspects of the scenes you've planned. If you wanted a simple way to separate the fiddle yard at the back instead of a cliff - how about about a simple divider/back scene painted the colour of the sky (or with some rolling countryside in the distance)? If you'll be viewing the layout while seated it wouldn't need to be especially high so you could get in behind it as needed. There's a few threads on here about back scenes, like this one for example: https://irishrailwaymodeller.com/topic/10189-query-on-backscenes-00-scale/ Edited December 4, 2023 by Flying Snail 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 Great to see. Those marvellous buildings of yours deserve display on a bigger canvas - glad they are getting it! 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Flying Snail said: .If you wanted a simple way to separate the fiddle yard at the back instead of a cliff - how about about a simple divider/back scene painted the colour of the sky (or with some rolling countryside in the distance)? If you'll be viewing the layout while seated it wouldn't need to be especially high so you could get in behind it as needed. I would be mainly operating while seated. I like the sky idea, a lot simpler than a cliff face. I could line its base with trees and shrubs and not need the countryside in the distance at all. 1 hour ago, Galteemore said: Great to see. Those marvellous buildings of yours deserve display on a bigger canvas - glad they are getting it! The small dioramas were good practice, but I'm looking forward to working with a much bigger canvas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 The internet is an amazing research tool. I went looking for a distillery and in about 20 minutes I found what I was looking for, the Tamdhu Distillery in Scotland. In another 20 minutes I had downloaded plans, drawings, photos and a map. The model will be 500 mm long and 300 mm wide. I will have to add a small extension at one end of the baseboard to accommodate it, but this will be a wonderful centre piece for the layout. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Sweeney Posted December 8, 2023 Author Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) I've been learning the ropes with Anyrail software the last few days. This is what I've come up with so far. I have also started to lay some cork trackbed. This is the track plan for the rural section. The distillery will be the centre piece. There will be a country station, I haven't yet decided what, but I'm leaning towards a Great Northern station, as I like the fancy brick work on many of them. As I posted before the track will be flat, with rising ground towards the back and sides, hills will hide the track at the back. I'm going to put a removable roof over the storage yard at the back, in which I will store 4 trains. I thought it would need to be open for operations. But the new plan is to put in isolated section at each end of the storage tracks, so the trains will stop automatically when they arrive in the yard. Presuming I remember to throw the isolation switch. In the bottom left is the branch line which will go to the other baseboard, on the other side of the room. There will access to the branch line from both the inner loop (at the back) and the outer loop (at the front) This will be the urban section. The track plan here is still very basic and will be developed further. The branch line comes in at the top left and crosses a valley on a curved viaduct. The valley floor will be a small inlet. I going for a double tracked through station, maybe with a train shed. After going through the station the trains will go round a non scenic, turning loop and head back towards the branch line. The double track section on the left will be an unpowered dead end, just there to look good. It will also cross the valley on a straight viaduct. I think this plan has everything I want, continuous running, end to end operations, and lots of shunting in the port. I will also be able to operate it on my own, and if I should find a willing partner, it can be operated by two people. The priority is get the rural section completed before moving onto the city section. The buildings on the city section will take years to complete The urban station will include an engine shed for my steam trains and a diesel depot. I will probably use Scalescenes kits for those. Scalescenes Diesel Depot I made some years back. I will also use the Scalescenes ship kit for the port. I will probably try a kit bash as well and make a cattle ship, which will allow me to run cattle trains between the country station and the port A Scalescenes trawler or two will be moored at the port. Also maybe a life boat, again from Scalescenes. Also available is a Lifeboat station with a slipway, which would be a nice addition. I have some work done already on a dockside crane. Edited December 8, 2023 by Kevin Sweeney 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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