jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Inchicore, end-of-life time for the fascinating fleet of G.... ....and the E401 class. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Brand new: yet to enter traffic. About 1978 I think. Inchicore barrier, 1976. The two of these were the last locomotives by a long stretch to wear the late 1960s black with yellow ends - a livery which even in its day didn't cover a fraction of the fleet. It was never applied to any GM, D, E or G classes, and I don't think any B101s got it either. A few if the A and C class, plus this pair, were the only yellow ended locos. A single member of the C class had yellow buffer beams with it for a short time. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 A bogie rail wagon still in use was (in 1976) one of very few MGWR vehicles in stock. The only others were several former six wheeled passenger carriages in use as departmental vans. One of these is now at Whitehead, two are on the DCDR, one is in Clifden, and all are as yet unrestored. Accompanying this wagon on that afternoon in the North Wall Yard was former MGWR bogie coach 1M, by then long converted into a departmental car, the last MGWR bogie coach extant, but withdrawn. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Standard CIE brakes with standard livery and standard weathering! The one on the left still has wooden planking. You'd see quite a few like that. The odd one was still grey. For modellers of the era, such vehicles were almost never clean and shiny looking. Some looked even shabbier than these.... Modellers, note the differing positions of the lamps. Above the ducket as on the right hand van, was the norm. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]16643[/ATTACH] Former GNR van No. 111, now 111N. The number is painted in the right (though the "N", which would on wagons have been slightly smaller font, has worn or faded off). The standard CIE cast plate on the left has "CIE", the number, the tonnage, and "111N" as normal CIE practice. (No, it wouldn't come off! Hmmmm). By this stage (about 1977) it was withdrawn, and with the recent almost total elimination of loose coupled goods trains,sidings in stations all over the country were stuffed with withdrawn H vans and their like. Edited January 2, 2015 by jhb171achill Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]16644[/ATTACH] Oil, cement and fertiliser; the three staples in the late seventies. (Beet also, but it was summer!) [ATTACH=CONFIG]16645[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]16646[/ATTACH] Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]16647[/ATTACH] Down morning Waterford train, Heuston, A class haulage as usual, about 1977. Look at the typical consist..... a 1950-pattern CIE parcel brake, a 32XX-series brake standard,a Park Royal and a Craven. When assembling trains of an era up to the end of wooden framed stock (about 1990), it's important for the modeller to be aware that Cravens didn't operate in rakes - as the best stock, there'd be one or two in a typical train, otherwise made up of all sorts of things! Edited January 2, 2015 by jhb171achill Quote
Kirley Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 jhb can you re-post the missing pictures please? Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 This wretched thing is driving me mad....! Each time I post the pictures, they show up fine on my computer, however as the day progresses some disappear, some appear the right way up and others upside down! Apologies, Kirley; I'll see what I can do! (My patience with mechanical, electrical or computer devices is minus zero......!) Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 Yippee! They appeared.... for now! See captions in previous posts. Now, let's have a go at GNR van 111N.... Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 The above are showing up as ok (well, one's upside down...) on my iPad.... so hopefully they are visible. Can I ask viewers if the earlier ones all are? Quote
DiveController Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]16650[/ATTACH]. Fertiliser Now for those with the skills that would be worth building! Haven't seen one on here but I'll bet someone will throw up a photo of a scratch built to prove me wrong…... Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 2, 2015 Author Posted January 2, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]16648[/ATTACH]. Oil [ATTACH=CONFIG]16649[/ATTACH]. Cement [ATTACH=CONFIG]16650[/ATTACH]. Fertiliser Quote
Kirley Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Apologies, Kirley; I'll see what I can do! No need for apologies jhb, delighted to see your pictures whatever way they are. Sent you a PM re pictures. Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 2, 2015 Posted January 2, 2015 Great pic of the A class with the taramines! Bty Johnathan- why were the wagons cut down? Seamus,if you are referring to the NIR open wagons that were cut down,they were cut down as they were used as a basic ballast wagon where a gang of men just shovelled ballast over the side! I witnessed this operation in the early 70s on many occasions,with one of your favourite wee loco's,the DH in charge. I have cut down a few of these wagons for my layout,will stick a pic up of the operation for you soon. JHB-superb pictures and great info to go with them,get that lot into a book,it would be worth it. Quote
DiveController Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]16647[/ATTACH] Down morning Waterford train, Heuston, A class haulage as usual, about 1977. Look at the typical consist..... a 1950-pattern CIE parcel brake, a 32XX-series brake standard,a Park Royal and a Craven. When assembling trains of an era up to the end of wooden framed stock (about 1990), it's important for the modeller to be aware that Cravens didn't operate in rakes - as the best stock, there'd be one or two in a typical train, otherwise made up of all sorts of things! Good thread, did I miss it or did the missing Waterford down train reappear on the thread? Quote
fishplate7 Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Great pictures jhb171achill, whatever way they are posted. Many thanks for sharing and keep them coming! Eamonn Quote
DiveController Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]16650[/ATTACH]. Fertiliser What's also interesting are the tankers in the background. Although mainly hidden they are not the same as the other you posted just above in #52, they are cradled differently and not just one but both that you can see on the rake. Tankers are being discussed on another contemporaneous thread for anyone who's interested Edited January 3, 2015 by DiveController Photos didn't show Quote
Mayner Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 What's also interesting are the tankers in the background. Although mainly hidden they are not the same as the other you posted just above in #52, they are cradled differently and not just one but both that you can see on the rake. Tankers are being discussed on another contemporaneous thread for anyone who's interested One of the tank wagons in the background looks like a CIE built bitumen tank wagon with an anchor mounted tank possibly dating from the early 1960s In loose coupled days bitumen traffic appears to have been shipped as individual wagon loads to railway goods yards and private sidings. Quote
josefstadt Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Good thread, did I miss it or did the missing Waterford down train reappear on the thread? You are right DC, it hasn't reappeared. JHB could you try re-posting it (originally in post #42) please? Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) [ATTACH=CONFIG]16672[/ATTACH] Superb photo JHB,the 2nd and 4th coaches look like laminates,the 3rd a park royal,any idea of the 1st nearest the A class? Actually the 4th could be a Craven... Edited January 4, 2015 by Hunslet 102 Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Hunslet, the one behind the loco is a CIE parcel brake of about 1950-3 vintage, then a laminate brand of 32xx series, like the one at Downpatrick, then a Park Royal, then a Craven. Until the 1990s, Cravens rarely ran in complete rakes - there would be one or two in trains otherwise made up of a few of just about everything else.... Quote
Hunslet 102 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hunslet, the one behind the loco is a CIE parcel brake of about 1950-3 vintage, then a laminate brand of 32xx series, like the one at Downpatrick, then a Park Royal, then a Craven. Until the 1990s, Cravens rarely ran in complete rakes - there would be one or two in trains otherwise made up of a few of just about everything else.... Thanks JHB,just corrected my own mistake seconds before your post with the Craven!!The variety of stock back then was something to behold. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Indeed it was, Hunslet. I must try to find a pic I have of a 10 coach train (10:30 to Cork) passing Port Laoise about 1976 with almost no two coaches alike...... Quote
josefstadt Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hunslet, the one behind the loco is a CIE parcel brake of about 1950-3 vintage, then a laminate brand of 32xx series, like the one at Downpatrick, then a Park Royal, then a Craven. Until the 1990s, Cravens rarely ran in complete rakes - there would be one or two in trains otherwise made up of a few of just about everything else.... The second vehicle looks like a laminate brake / standard - note the extra width compared to the van in front of it. AFIK, none of the 32xx vehicles were converted from 'Laminate' stock, but rather they were originally 9' 6" wide 'Bredins' of a similar profile to the van. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 I could be wrong on this, josefstadt, but I have a notion that while, as you say, the 32xx's were indeed Bredin-origin, there might have been sone converted from the original Bredin-pattern CIE stock of 1950-3? Must consult the archives. It would be interesting to clarify. Certainly, during the years from 1950-62, several different side profiles were evident in new builds. Here's something for 071 persons. First, an up train awaiting departure from Westport, July 1978. Behind the loco, a mail van, then a Dutch can, then four Cravens, a laminate, and a laminate brake, the details of which I didn't record. Followed by a new loco in Inchicore the previous year. For modellers, note the unique non standard logo, larger than normal, different template, and with a white surround instead of tan. And the loco body colour was very much more brownish, again uniquely. This was because they were painted in La Grange, Illinois, not Inchicore. At first repaint they were all "corrected". Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 On an unknown date about 1977, the Ballina Asahi passes Glasnevin. The tankers don't show up well in this rather poor photo, unfortunately, but they were silver, with bright red frames, and the CIE logo in normal orange and black. They were mounted on standard 4 where flats, which were in normal CIE brown. From memory, "A" class locos were regulars on this run, though I wonder if restrictions on the Moy River bridge allowed them beyond Claremorris? Maybe someone might confirm. 071's were certainly not allowed up the branch at that time and for many moons afterwards. Quote
ttc0169 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 <img src="http:// From memory' date=' "A" class locos were regulars on this run, though I wonder if restrictions on the Moy River bridge allowed them beyond Claremorris? Maybe someone might confirm. 071's were certainly not allowed up the branch at that time and for many moons afterwards.[/quote'] Excellent photos there John, There were no restrictions on the A class over the Moybridge during the Asahi years and I fondly remember them notching up after crossing the speed restricted bridge after midnight heading for Ballina with the laden train-a wonderful sound particularly on a frosty night, The 071s came into force during the last days of the Asahi liner about 1996-just after the rebuilding of the Moybridge and were equally as impressive in sound late at night, However one or two 071s crept over the old bridge in the early 90's-072 being one such loco. Quote
Blaine Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 [ATTACH=CONFIG]16689[/ATTACH] On an unknown date about 1977, the Ballina Asahi passes Glasnevin. The tankers don't show up well in this rather poor photo, unfortunately, but they were silver, with bright red frames, and the CIE logo in normal orange and black. They were mounted on standard 4 where flats, which were in normal CIE brown. . Was there a special batch of 20ft flats for this working, all painted red (under the dirt) as they had sparkproof brake shoes? Quote
Blaine Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Hunslet, the one behind the loco is a CIE parcel brake of about 1950-3 vintage, then a laminate brand of 32xx series, like the one at Downpatrick, then a Park Royal, then a Craven. Until the 1990s, Cravens rarely ran in complete rakes - there would be one or two in trains otherwise made up of a few of just about everything else.... One wonders 'if' the Buttevant/Cherryville Junction disasters had not occured, would the timber bodied stock have been replaced so quickly... Quote
Noel Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 On an unknown date about 1977, the Ballina Asahi passes Glasnevin. The tankers don't show up well in this rather poor photo, unfortunately, but they were silver, with bright red frames, and the CIE logo in normal orange and black. They were mounted on standard 4 where flats, which were in normal CIE brown. From memory, "A" class locos were regulars on this run, though I wonder if restrictions on the Moy River bridge allowed them beyond Claremorris? Maybe someone might confirm. 071's were certainly not allowed up the branch at that time and for many moons afterwards. These are interesting photos, but it would be really nice if you could rotate them right way up before attaching them to the forum. It's doing my head in turning my mac upside down to view them Its really easy to do on Windows or Mac. Quote
jhb171achill Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Noel - fair point - I did try, but couldn't manage it.... Wooden stock would certainly have lasted longer - probably until railcars - if it wasn't for Buttevant and Cherryville. The flats for the Asahi were standard ones and I only ever saw them brown. Such wagons were rotated with Guinness traffic and containers, so keeping some in red would not have been practical. Quote
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