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Lima/Bachmann Irish Rail Class 201

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Good Evening to all

I recently bought a couple of these models and I was given a shell of these models as well. I am wondering whether anybody can tell me if there is a suitable chassis with motor that I could buy so that I can use this locomotive , preferably without modification

A search of Yahoo/Google seems to indicate that a Hornby Class 66 chassis would fit but I cannot be definite.

Any help would be much appreciated

Kind regards to all

Gerard16

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Hi 

Well I was wondering about remotoring a lima 201 and bought a hornby 59 -latest version , it was an EWS one for £40.

The bogies  and sideframes less steps match and even the chassis weight holder unit is identical - the 59 does have a pcb for DCC use It is almost right length being just a few mm to long.  The problem is the 59 tanks and side of the mainframes differ from the 201 and the 66 differs again and is longer . I am sure if you have the lima 201 then you could cut and copy bits to match.  - 

I am going to   cut out parts of a the lima 59 to swap for the hornby 59 and if I get a working camera or friend to take some pics I will up load on the forum.

Robert   

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Well to update the rash comments of above. I conclude that there are too many differences.

Bogie sideframes, - sand pots and overall length prevent a swap between chassis

bogie wheelbases differ - I suspect the 59 is better than the 201 - which has equidistant axles on the Lima model.- might well be based on an HO power bogie as it is shorter   

Power bogies and trailing bogie mounts differ preventing a easy 59 - 201 swap 

Overall length of 59 to 201  8mm longer  prevents a quick chassis swap 

Underframe details differ too much from 201 to 59 - albeit the 59 tank looks much better than Lima one.     

Where there is a good match is body fixings 4 of the 59 and 201 match. In principle working features for cablights and weights match . 

The main win is the PCB 8 pin mount on the updated 59 model with can motor, not really a win for the lima pancake motor. - you would hardwire a 4 function chip anyway - the 59 chassis has two lamps  for the double headlamp and no tail lamps.

If there was not the later MM version then with a bit of surgery then this would give a better motored version of the simplified   body. Messing around scraps a serviceable 59 for not a lot of benefit . The 201 I have infornt of me is one of several  available and i runs as well as can be expected - albeit with pizza wheels ! - Even a wheel swap not possible of how motor bogie works.    

So the idea is stillborn - anybody want a 59206 in DB traffic red? 

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1 hour ago, Robert Shrives said:

bogie wheelbases differ - I suspect the 59 is better than the 201 - which has equidistant axles on the Lima model.- might well be based on an HO power bogie as it is shorter   

 The 201 I have infornt of me is one of several  available and i runs as well as can be expected - albeit with pizza wheels ! - Even a wheel swap not possible of how motor bogie works.    

 

The Lima 201 bogies are 48mm wheelbase compared with the MM 201, which are 49mm. The centre axlebox on the Lima is off centre towards the front as it should be, but the motor unit centre axle is central, and does not line up exactly with the axlebox, but it is not too noticable. However, on the assumption that the MM bogie is the correct length, the 1mm discrepancy between the two makes is not worth worrying about.

A wheel swop on the Lima 201 is perfectly feasible. I once had a large fleet of Lima BR locos, all of which had had their 'Pizza Cutter' wheels replaced with Romford wheels. Extra pickups were fitted to all wheels, and extra weight added to compensate for lack of traction tyres. With one or two exceptions, all my Lima BR locos have since been rechassised with either Bachmann or ViTrains chassis 

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Hi Thanks for that - one thing I could not find on a quick internet search last night was a drawing of a 201 to compare and my MM201 is over 100 miles away !  So thanks for comments on  my work.   I too have remotored and wheeled a Lima 47145 with a vi trains chassis and added lazer glazing.  

My initial premise had been the family likeness of the 59 and 201 in real and model form would give a cheap quick upgrade without having to reach for a saw and the like, but not to be. 

Yes a simple wheel change will upgrade.  I recall an article about resuing Lima gear bonded to Romford wheelset - something else for the next rainy night ! 

thanks

Robert     

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