Ammonia wagons

[WRENNEIRE]

Any idea who manufactured these wagons?

I was told a French company called Sambre et Meuse were involved

Answers on a postcard........

 

[iarnrod]

Fauvet Girel was the company, Dave. Leased to CIE by UK wagon leasing company, STS. Was some strange maintenance split on these wagons where CIE maintained the running gear and underframe but tank was maintained by Fauvet Girel I think.

Edited October 30, 2018 by iarnrod
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[Garfield]

Fauvet Girel constructed them, Dave.

Sambre et Meuse manufactured the Y33 bogies used under the ammonias, 42' flats, Taras, etc.

[WRENNEIRE]

It was the Y33's that got me mixed up
Must bring a notebook with me in future

Thanks lads, problem solved

 

[Robert Shrives]

DJD

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/eurlammonia/h1fbb377f#he70e226d

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/eurlammonia/h1fbb377f#he70e226c

gives a link to two pics the UK version. 

Yonks ago LIma did a tanker but was , I guess, an HO model - but given how big the tank is it might be ok. 

http://newweb.ngaugesociety.com/wp-content/uploads/Journal-6-16-Bashing-Chemical-Wagons.pdf

Is a link to Grahames excellent bashing and the wagon gets a conversion from a Farish  TEA wagon which Bachmann do in 00 eg. https://www.oliviastrains.com/trains/mt/bachmann-wagons/bachmann-tank-wagons/bachmann-38-110-tea. 

That a quick search , hope it helps.

Robert 

I should add , cheekily of course ! That having got 6 into gloss white and hoping to use MIR transfers after some green on solebars  on some MIR resin tanks - you need a Murphy 201 to pull as very heavy. I would expect the good gents in the IRM palace to be sorting the packaging designs this week ! ....

Robert  

[Railer]

I was told that part of the reason the Ammonia's are or were not on their short term radar was because of the lack of details they have to model the underbody of the wagons. They don't want to do a Hornby job with a blank barren underside and at the same time they don't want to make up an educated guess at the detail and model it either. That may all have changed but that was the case I was told, it's that they want to do it right or not at all.

My view is, if they do make a guess at the underbody and no one has any info to help then no one can correct them or critique the model if and when it's released.

[Irishswissernie]

There were also 2 fairly distinctive types as seen in the short train below 2 of the earlier type with the 'skirts ' on the tanks and 2 of the later not so numerous type.

 

[warb]

Photos of the two ammonia wagon type that were in service

regards

warb

[Robert Shrives]

1 hour ago, Railer said:

I was told that part of the reason the Ammonia's are or were not on their short term radar was because of the lack of details they have to model the underbody of the wagons. They don't want to do a Hornby job with a blank barren underside and at the same time they don't want to make up an educated guess at the detail and model it either. That may all have changed but that was the case I was told, it's that they want to do it right or not at all.

My view is, if they do make a guess at the underbody and no one has any info to help then no one can correct them or critique the model if and when it's released.

But as I have found on other projects that once a model is produced a zillion photographs suddenly appear to disprove and sometimes support  the work done. The class 22 books for instance produced after Dapol developed the model and even requested assistance these books gave new insights, and allowed much frothing and bashing ... manufacturers  are thus very wary of guesstimates.  Quite a few underframe pics as a result of accidents so really we are lucky there are no photos of these tanks upside down. 

Robert         

[DJ Dangerous]

Did the ammonia wagons leased to CIE by STS have any similar looking cousins across the sea?

[DJ Dangerous]

Thank you, Robert!

Very informative!

However, I believe that the rule is three's...

So once two more members announce that they have just this moment finished their Ammonia wagons, IRM will announce that they are expecting delivery of theirs tomorrow.