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Just wondering on the Mk2D formations they ran in as introduced and in general.

I know the Mk3s were EGV+First+Restaurant+Standards. 

From pictures I have seen the Mk2Ds were EGV+First+Composite+Restaurant+Standards in the early days. 13 piece specials were 11 whatever sandwiched between 2 EGVs.

Later on EGV+First+Restaurant+ mix of Composites and Standards.

In the twilight years on the Sligo line, EGV+Restaurant+ mix of Composites and Standards.

Was there are general rule of just use whatever?

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Regarding early working, it appeared that rakes were intoduced as they got stock available. As the carriages were fitted out and painted, so they came into the usuable pool. One early set was as small as an EGV, Compo, Buffet and two standards on the evening Heuston-Tralee. The original intention seems to have been altered, given the modification of 5 Compos to Standards very quickly. The 1973 timetable, which was notable for more trains than ever, with two trains from Dublin to provincial destinations in the evenings, and two up the morning, one of the pair being fast by omitting smaller station stops. For the commencement of that timetable, 10 sets appear to have been made up, EGV, First or Compo, Buffet and 4 Standards. 8 sets were in use, four on links Dublin-Cork, which had firsts, and the other four did links which included the "best" train from Waterford, Tralee, Limerick and Galway to Dublin in the morning and down in the evening. Subsequent timetables saw retrenchment on the number of trains, but there was also growing passenger numbers so by the end of the 1970's, bigger sets were needed, which reduced the number of sets in use. Clearly there's a chunk of the 70's rather hazily covered there, which someone else might have better knowledge of. Messrs Carse and Gray did a carriage survey about 1980 for the IRRS Journal, and I'll see what was there later.

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Apologies for the delay in coming back with the IRRS Journal info.

Messrs. Carse and Gray did their survey on Friday 9th May 1980. Noted that Gen Van 5611 had been destroyed by fire in August 1979, otherwise all vehicles intact. 5406 was the current State Coach, but 5408 was being converted to same. Aside from these, 5214 was idle at Connolly, curious as no AC stock was rostered at that time to use the station. Not seen were 5153, 5155, 5208, 5215, 5217, 5227, 5231, 5233, 5402, 5405, some of which would have been under overhaul or getting attention in Inchicore.

Just six sets were out: EGV + 8 on the link including the 07:40 Cork - Heuston, EGV + 9 on the link including 17:30 Heuston - Cork, EGV + 8 on the link including the 18:25 Heuston - Tralee, EGV + 8 on the link including the 17:50 Heuston - Limerick, EGV + 7 on the link including the 18:10 Heuston - Waterford, EGV + 9 on the link including the 18:35 Heuston - Galway.

Despite the six sets being out above, in their notes they say that usually just five sets would be in daily use, with a sixth perhaps appearing ay busy periods and composed of some of several of the surplus compos and buffets. They cite the 10:30 Heuston - Tralee of 9th August as an example, 160 + 181 + EGV + 6, the six including three buffets and one compo and having over 350 passengers! 

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Hi Railer,

I remember the latter days of locomotive hauled trains on the Sligo line. The former 1st class coaches had been converted to standard class. If my memory serves me correctly some of the composite coaches were first/standard class, again, all converted to standard class. I recall there being two restaurant coaches running in a set - largely due to the lack of availability of passenger stock.

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ConnollyStn

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Managed to dig up bits myself in the mean time.

Example below was a Belfast service in 1976

B174 + 5228,5231,5208,5406,5101,5608.

In the final days of Mk2D sets below:

5602 5403 5102 5159 5106 5203 5221 (28/1/08 1750 ex Heuston)

5610 5208 5410 5155 5156 5152 5101 (30/1/08 1750 ex Heuston)

 

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As things got tight in January 2008 as scrapping of Mk2D began in full swing.

5610-5212-5205-5211-5236-5221-5154. This was an evening Limerick service on 08/01/08 with no 54xx buffet coach as there was none free.

 

On the 10/01/08

13.25 Limerick: 5602 5403 5102 5159 5106 5203

17.10 Athlone: 5610 5212 5205 5211 5236 5221 5154

17.50 Galway: 5607 5410 5155 5156 5152 5101

By the end of January there were only 2 sets in service and were regularly a 8 and 9 piece.

5607 5208 5219 5410 5155 5156 5152 5101 5236 this set was noted being hauled by 085 on a evening service ex Heuston.

 

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