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From my own British outline interest point of view I'll be waiting to see what competitors come out with and wait to see the Oxford effort in the plastic before I make my mind up. Their track record so far seems to be average.

Front of the control car looks all wrong profile wise to me, but I'm not an expert. Made using hornby coaches as a base I believe.

I also hear another manufacturer is working on Mark III stock, be interesting to see what they come out with.

And different doors of course. Be interesting to see if they'd sell considering the amount of repaints out there and the old Lima stock over the years. Wonder what the quality will be like too!

I'm pretty sure no Bachmann 20s have directional lighting. None of my 6 do anyway and some of them are recent releases.

Thanks for all the support lads, it really makes taking this project on and indeed future ones a worthwhile and enjoyable enterprise for all of us. Roll on the next stage of the process and future announcements!

Hi Kevin. Sorry but not sure where you heard that. It's always been 333 packs of 3 wagons with 3 individual numbers. They'll be easy enough to renumber though and we'll do a tutorial on how to do it when we get them. Thanks.

1 pack left!

Hi Jimbo, there's currently a small glitch on the website we're working on at the moment. We havent quite sold out yet you'll be glad to hear! We'll have it resolved later this morning but you'll have to be quick on the draw as we only have a few left!

OO Noel as its being sold with OO wheel sets. Thanks.

Or right, depending on what way you look at it.

Love the rust effect in the container, super job!

Nice! Emailed you those pics you were looking for.

Not yet Rich. If they do a 24 with head code boxes I'll take the plunge. The sound is supposed to be amazing.

Hasn't changed from 'summer 2016' Kevin. Thanks.

I'm sure he makes a living, but it's a lot a money to fork out up front and placing your trust in a factory thousands of miles away to deliver the goods correctly. If they cock up you're up **** creek without a paddle and a rather large debt over your head as the product wont sell. His dedication has seen things done properly. Having said that I'm sure he isnt lighting cigars with 50 euro notes either, which some of the begrudgers would have you believe sadly.

A Marklin locomotive of similar size to say a 121 or an A will be about €100 more expensive to buy (RRPs). Their production runs would be much larger and they would have the possibility of making many more locomotives over the lifetime of the tooling as the market and demand would be a lot larger. Rivarossi is now owned by Hornby and their models are made in China. Bachmann, Hornby, Athearn, Atlas, Murphy Models, Proto 2000, Walthers, Broadway Limited, MTH, Dapol, Heljan all have one thing in common. Their models are made in China. I think they all know where the best place to make models are when it comes to price point and skills. If we were to make our wagons here in Ireland you can lob at least €100 onto the price. I'm sure the same can be said for Hornby etc. Then we'd have to find someone capable of making them! If you want to go along with your commendable patriotic choice there are plenty of MIR kits of 141s, 071s, 201s and soon 121s kicking about at swapmeets which you can buy as they were made here over the Murphy Models alternative made in China.

China (for the moment) is still the most economical place for manufacture. The 121 will be the 4th time that Paddy Murphy will take on such a serious investment. The guy is a hero for risking that much cash over the years with not a massive amount of return. Irish models are niche, small run stuff as there are less people interested than say American or British outline. This is why the prices of the locos when they come on market are slightly higher. We'd all love an A Class of course, but it comes at a serious price.

Yes, and that's up front.

Sadly Noel there are two options; A bit of modelling work and a re-chassis of an existing A model currently available to bring it up to scratch, or donating around €200k to Mr. Murphy or similar and wait 2-3 years at least with the hope you'd make your money back. Anyway, this thread is about the 121's so let's keep it on topic. Thanks.

Hi Mfjoc and welcome! We have no plans to offer the under frame on its own. However we do plan to maximise its potential in years to come. It is the most viable way of offering a RTR wagon to the Irish Market.