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David Have a look here;-

Here is a handy and economical way of making a paint lining pen;- This is the unit with a few sample lines done on glass. The tip is .5mm but the lines spread out as I had to thin the paint, an old can of thick enamel! - if thinning the paint it takes a fair bit of testing to get it right and best to test on a sample card of the paint your going to line. I'm a bit rusty at doing lining and this was the third attempt for posting this thread, more practice is required- speed is the key, a constant speed, when you have the paint right! The components- .5mm tip, scrap brass to hold the tips, silicone tube off cut to clamp the tip in the brass holder, 6mm aluminium bar handle with slot to take the brass, and a .45mm NS wire prodder to clean the tip. And yes you probably guessed it- the tip is from a Faber Castell mechanical pencil 'Contura' range- for about €10.00 which comes in .3mm, .5mm, and 1mm lead sizes. I do have a .3mm pencil but could not locate it for this posting, I also have an adapter that allows the lining pen to follow edges and the like , and it's adjustable, but again a problem locating it. I also recently bought .2mm dia NS tube to make a .2mm tip- I will post a photo when made and hopefully I'll find the other parts by then? It does take a bit of practice but when the paint is right and the pen mastered it does beautiful lining.... Eoin

David Another excellent book is Mr Christopher Vine's 'How (not) to paint a locomotive' ISBN 978-0-9553359-0-7 There is an excellent section on lining a loco, he more refers to RL Moore's lining pen, the Beugler Pinstriping tool, and masking film. His discussion is filled with helpful tips, things not to do, and gadgets he makes to assist in lining. The rest of the book is a mine of information for painting a loco, he's working in large scale but the paint can't tell the difference.... He is a 2004 gold medal winner in model engineering for his stunning 7 & 1/4 inch gauge LNER B1 'Bongo' Eoin

Hi John The 1880 map showing the goods yard and extended works I don't like Connolly Station now it's such a mess, but I see Amiens St terminus in a whole different light! It's going on my list after I complete the Kingstown Station layout. Mike Sharman- I saw a number of his loco many years ago at a show in the UK, his Crampton locos impressed me so I started to research Irish locos of the same vintage and came across the 'Hibernia' and it's sisters and have developed the drawings for D&KR 1834 locos, some of the Hibernia preliminary work for Gauge O is on my workbench thread. I just recently purchased his book on the Crampton Locomotives which is an incredible insight to the engines, stunning drawings and excellent tips to modelling them. Again another project on the list..... Eoin

Hi David Grab a copy of Ian Rathbone's Book 'Painting & Lining' by Wild Swan Publications ISBN 978 1 905184 54 5 and its in colour!! He has all manner of tips n jigs for working with enamel paint and bow pens, excellent tips on cleaning up mistakes without resorting to sandpaper Eoin

Excellent Glenderg, Roundhouse it is. I saw some of that detail in the planning documents but the scan by DCC was to black& white and the detail was almost imposable to make out because of the tone over the structure! One thing about luggage back in those days, it wasn't just suitcases! Some folk who travelled to their country houses brought their furniture with them- no point in splashing out good money on a second set when it would just sit around for half the year. They would pack up their house and street cart it to the station or special facilities like Brownsbarn out on the Naas Road for delivery to their destination. This is one reason why a lot of houses in Dublin had rear enclosed coach buildings, they could sneak out the furniture at night to the rear so they would not be seen and shamed. Brownsbarn and some of the other companies provided huge carts pulled by oxen (cheaper to hire) and deliver to luggage stores in the one go and then street cart it to final destination. The Brownsbarn building we see today is about 1/3 of what the company had to store luggage in as it was been prepared for the journey. Eoin

Hi Garfield Yes I think that is most likely what it was for, also the issue of street level arched openings?;- I found a reference to the 'station being built on 27 arches to raise the track 24 foot above Amiens Street and a number of arches were used for storage of luggage, this is now the 'Vaults Bar''. These arches were accessed from the Eastern side adjacent to the Inner Dock and the building of our discussion is in the right location to transmit luggage down from a train and out through the arches to this storage area or through the link to the East Luggage Store building on Lower Sheriff Street.....maybe? Eoin

I did a bit more searching around and found more on the Amiens Street 'Engine House';- I found a far better map dated 1880 similar to the map above, with 3 buildings to the East of the station- all text labelled! 'Engine Ho.' for the building we're discussing, East to that 'Luggage Store' with a narrow connection back to the first building, and then East again 'Work Shop' on the building just before Lower Sheriff Street turns towards the Liffey. While browsing Glenderg's photos again, I noticed a planning application notice on the wall of the second building in the last photo so I did a planning search on the DCC website and came up with two items;- First;- a planning application for a dreadful major development of the whole station yard, the surrounding streets, offices and apartments towering over everything, permission was granted but noting in the documents relating to this discussion. Second; a planning application in 2007 Ref; 5696/07 for demolition of a structure on top of the 'Engine Ho' and erection of a new driver facility- which is the building we possibly see in Glenderg's photos, possibly because this application was invalid! lucky though they left the documents on line for us see;- Attached to the application is a Conservation Report as Connolly Station is a listed structure, in the report they describe the building as follows;- 'Engine House located at basement level running parallel along Sheriff Street and consists of three no. brick barrel vaults running east west supported by random rubble stone walls with arched openings'....'To the south of the building is the electrical sub station'... 'The walls consist of large white washed random rubble stone walls supporting the large barrel vaults. Several random rubble piers are located throughout the building'.... 'Several arched openings connect various rooms throughout the Engine House. The arched openings vary in size and consist both of brick and stone construction. Several openings have been blocked up in later years with concrete blockwork'.... Near the end of the report they say;- They also mention that 'an extension of the public platform to the East extended over part of this building', so some of the Engine House is under the platform and not seen from Lower Sheriff Street. It seems to be a cavernous sub-divided structure internally- a bit strange for an Engine House! and how did they get engines in? and why did it have large stone arches openings in the curved wall onto street level? Actually the curved wall is made up of 6 to 8 straight walls in an arc...... Eoin

Hi Wayside Yes there is something wrong with the lens all right? Though I can see it a bit better- the nut, bolt n washer idea should work like the Craven coach fix, sticking the washer on the underside of the bogie will be a bit fiddly to get it on centre, but it should work- saves buying new bogies... 'I like fixing stuff rather than buying replacements' Eoin

Hi Wayside It looks like the fix could work on the Lima, but if you could do closer up photos of top & underside of the bogie, and closer up looking down on the chassis socket/bolster I'd be able to see better? - fill the photo frame with the bogie, that close..... Eoin

Hi Dart8118 The Dublin & Kingstown Railway was constructed on a raised fill so not to interfere with the established streets of Dublin, the arches were constructed so public access under the rail line was provided as their was quite a bit of objection to constructing the line and cutting people off in their established communities. The turn table was for turning locos and tenders to take trains back out of Westland Row for the return journey to Kingstown, they did similar in Kingstown and I read that they disconnected the loco & tender on the move before the station, allowing the train to run into the station on a slight up hill and relying on the guard to apply the breaks! The loco went off to the Carlisle pier turntable and then came back for the return to Westland Row K A Murray's book is a great reference for this line I believe the steps and extension platform are much later additions Eoin

I got the portfolio down out of the attic. It has a map based on another OS map of 1837, and has the semicircular building and goods storage building on it! And after having a lengthy discussion with my friendly railway historian this morning we believe the semicircular building was a cart loading shed- he tells me that the railway line was elevated from the beginning so we believe on that basis and the 3 or 4 arches in the back of the curve at street level it was a system to get goods down from a train and out onto the lower level roads or into the adjacent storage shed to the East fronting onto Lower Sheriff Street..... Eoin

Actually! On doing a bit more map searching I found a pdf file on the 'Wide Streets of Dublin' containing a map of Dublin of 1876 showing Amiens Street Station terminus with a semicircular structure adjacent the railway line, this would have been when the track was not elevated! I found a second map dated 1883 which again shows the semicircular structure and a connection to a rectangular structure off to the east- which would be off the edge of the above map. It looks like it was a building after all and not a retaining wall and when the track was elevated it was built on? I have a portfolio of old Dublin maps stashed in 'my attic' which will take a bit of reorganising to get at, but will do tomorrow..... Eoin

Hi Guys Interesting discussion on Amiens Street Roundhouse! But I think reference to the OSI Map Viewer can tell another story;- The Historic 6 inch map of 1829 to 1842 shows the location of the Dublin to Drogheda line which seems pretty close to the line of the present day raised line. The 6 inch Cassini map of 1830 to 1913 shows the later development of the present day raised line. And the Historic 25 inch map of 1888 shows again further development of the raised line. In the location of the photos posted above a curved line is indicated just after the bridge on the two later survey maps, they also indicate a long shed with two tracks entering from the northern end, as these tracks are on grade with the main line and the roadway is well below the tracks I believe this curved line is indicating a retaining wall, and that is the wall in the photos. I also believe a roundhouse would require a substantial frontage area and most likely a turntable- where in this location there is just not the space to do so with its proximity to the main line. Also note that the ashlar wall returns around at the northern end facing back into the main line track, which would cut off access for locos to get to the shed! This is not to say there might have been plans to build a roundhouse in this location, but I do believe were looking at a curved retaining wall with arched access in under from road level to utilise the space under .... Eoin

Yes its the Murphy models that fix is for, though the Lima has a similar bogie bayonet fixing I think, so the same idea could be used maybe with some variation?? Show us a photo of the bogie and underframe of the Lima and I should be able to come up with an idea Eoin

Hi Wayside Bolt n nut is the best and most economic solution;- All that's required is a M2 bolt, washer, nut and a bit of time Cut the broken bayonet parts flush off the bogie frame, epoxy the washer centrally on the underside of the bogie frame, when the epoxy is set hand drill a 2mm hole through the washer and bogie frame- the washer is the drill guide. Then open out the fixing hole in the chassis bolster downstand (the bit the bogie bayonet used to go into) to approx 4.3mm which is a snug push fit for the nut, push the nut in flush with the bolster base and glue with a small drop of cyano glue, (Tip;- screw a cocktail stick into the nut to hold the nut while inserting it and ensure no glue goes on the threads) when set the bogie can be fitted with the M2 bolt through the washer, smear your nail varnish on the thread before doing so, adjust the screw so the bogie is free to wobble and let the nail varnish set to hold the screw as adjusted... done. Eoin

Train & Model Fair is on this Sunday.

With the insides sorted its time for the roof to go on the coach body. Stage one- tack solder the roof on in spots on the outside to get everything square. Stage 2 - Solder the roof on from the inside, I worked in small runs of solder, alternating to each end and slowly working to the middle. This minimises heat distortion- taking short breaks gives the assembly a chance to cool down also. The tack solder on the outside melted and some of it ran into the detail lines which will be removed with a scalpel blade. Stage 3 - Clean off the tack solder- first with a solder sucker when the tacks are molten with the iron, then the Dremel with a sanding drum, then fine emery paper, and finally the trusty scratch brush. Roof on and the body is not distorted. A few bits to go on the ends, sort out the corridor connectors and we're painting Eoin

Hi John I use a Cameo Silhouette cutter for cutting the plastic card, well it deep scores the card about 3/4 the way through, the blade cannot get through .5mm card, the side of the blade rubs on the side of the cut and wont go any further no matter how many times one re-cuts, so then out with the scalpel to finish off by hand, but very easily done with deep guides to follow, with diagonal cuts in the window opes the waste card snaps out along the score. The Cameo Silhouette will cut through .3mm downwards. I now have a drag knife attachment for the cnc machine for cutting right through plastic card up to 1mm thick, I also cut the card with a 2 flute milling cutter but am experiencing heat problems with the card melting and sticking to the tool! I've just invested in an air cooling system to keep heat away from the tool- yet to run tests! But if all works OK I will be able to cut out large chunks of styrene...... The interior lining idea is so that I will get aluminium colour interior frames to the windows when painted up and complete Eoin

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Well, this is what I did? Eoin

Hi Paddy Sure is- Train & Model Fair is on next Sunday the 17th from 10.30 to 1.30 Eoin

Looking great David, I know the feeling on the painting, I'm finishing the Flying Scotsman with the final painting and every time I think its time for top coat I see another gap that needs filling..... This is fun, see what you can do, see what we make- fun Eoin

Hi Warb I was in Barrow Street today for a meeting, when parking the car I could have sworn I was in the model...... Eoin

Glenderg, I'd love to give it a go! but would need a bigger bench Eoin