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Its quite a challenge to fit a large main line station into a 10X8. The central operating well and baseboards around the walls with separate scenes with the viaduct, station and coastal scenery is a good idea and help make the layout feel larger than I actually is. It would be worthwhile to add a loop or loops on either side of the main line on the coastal scenic section on the opposite side to the viaduct, this would give you storage space for another couple of trains and add to the operating interest with say the Enterprise overaking a Tara Mines or a suburban train. It might be better to omit the depot buildings as they would block out the view of the station from the operating well and make it difficult to reach the platform lines. Before the Depot was built it was used as a depot for locos used on cement and Tara Mines trains & a maintenance area for bubble cement and gypsum hoppers. It would be very difficult to fit in a workable Navan Branch, but it would be easy enough to add in the cement factory branch into the operating well on the Northern side of the viaduct as a destination for freight trains

Modelling in 3mm (TT) on OO9 and OO would be a better option than OO9& OO to keep the scale/gauge proportions right. But would need a greater level of skill in loco and stock building compared to OOn3 or 21mm gauge. The other issue is that the track and stock would be to different scales At least one modeller has modelled the County Donegal in 3mm scale (TT) on N Gauge track scratch building railcars and rolling stock in plasticard on N gauge chassis. The main problem with OO9 for the Irish 3' gauge is that you would have to scratch build a chassis. The Irish 3' gauge locos and stock were much more massive than the British 2'-2'6" narrow gauge, the Welshpool & Llanfair was probably closest to an Irish narrow gauge line, but the Earl & the Countess quite unlike anything that ran in Ireland Scale and gauge does not really seem to be an issue with Tonyboley's planned layout as the narrow gauge appears to be freelance modern image.

The Frateschi loco seems to have the edge on the SW1500 in terms of bogies an looks like a low cabbed version of the B121 Class which would kind of make sense as some Brazilian lines were built to 5'3" The MIR 121 looks reasonable and runs well on the SW1500 chassis, the whitemetal body adds to the smooth running and pulling power. The loco was good by the standards of whitemetal diesels of the 80s, though may be overscale for 1:76 or OO, the original bogies were designed around the DS10 motor and the sideframes are longer than scale.

The official reason for the airlift was to allow driver and maintenance staff training to take place before the remaining 9 locos were delivered, the unofficial reason was that the CIE Chairman Paul Conlon was about to retire and wanted a publicity stunt.

Unmistakable excellent piece of urban modelling fair play for fitting it into an even more challenging place than the prototype.

1. Propel Commuter towards Mostrim clearing east end points 2. Pull Commuter onto Gantry road clearing trap points. 3. Uncouple loco from Commuter and buffer up and couple to Liner. There seemed to be enough room on the gantry road for the Liner (8-10 42'9 flats) and the commuter 4. Propel Liner towards Dromad clearing west end points. 5. Pull Liner into Loop. The shunt had to be carried out quickly to avoid delaying the UP and Down evening Sligo passenger trains which were normally scheduled to cross at Mostrim, delaying the Up Sligo would also have a potential knock on effect on the running of the down Sligo Liner and ESSO Oil train. I don't remember if the Up Sligo ran through when the shunting was taking place in the yard or when the Liner was staged in the loop. As far as I recall Longford had Outer Home and Advanced starter signals which would have allowed the shunts to take place on the main line if a train was in section from Dromad or Mostrim. otherwise the up passenger would have had to wait at Dromad until the main line was clear at least up to the home signal and a safety overlap

Its interesting how the discussion has focused on what the public expect at exhibitions as opposed to layout operation. I think it was Iain Rice who wrote that British outline modellers built models of railway stations while American modellers build model railroads and focus more on prototypical operation than exhibiting layouts. This seem to hold true regardless of whether the layout is built in the UK, Australasia or the United States, there is also some crossover Patrick's South Waterford layout, Castle Rackrent Drew Donaldson's and Sam Carse's County Donegal are/were models of railways designed for the enjoyment of the operator rather than the public at an exhibition. Its possible to build an exhibition layout for prototypical operation that will keep the general public interested Stoke Summit and Maybank are good but contrasting examples, but would the effort be better spent building a permanent layout that could be operated on a regular basis rather than an occasional exhibition? There is probably a critical mass of modellers in the UK to support specialist exhibitions such as Scaleform, ExpoEM etc.Richies hypotechical prototypically operated fine scale model of Askeaton would probably win an award and be published in Model Railway Journal but put the average punter to sleep. I am not sure if there is a critical mass of Irish modellers to support a weekend NMRA style convention in Dublin or Belfast with trade stands, clinics, and layout tours as opposed to conventional exhibition.

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Little puzzle about what went on-on the railways not so long ago. February or March evening 1996 nothing better to do so checked out activity at Longford Station. 1.Longford commuter train recently arrived from Connolly 071 + 3-4 Cravens & van. 2. Coaches must be stabled clear of the main line for the Up & Down evening Sligo trains. 3. Loco is required to work the Longford Liner back to the North Wall. 4. Molasses tank wagons remain in yard. Task 1.Stable coaches clear of main line. 2.Couple on to Liner and position train in the loop for departure to Dublin with the least number of moves.

The loop at Manulla was lifted at some stage after the closure of the station in the 1960s, the practice of queuing a number of trains in section uncoupling the locos and coupling to the train in front was described described in an IRRS Journal article on working Knock specials. The same practice was also used at Ashtown to handle a large number of specials for the 1980 Papal visit. A temporary trailing crossover was installed and the Down Line between Ashtown treated as a siding for storing the specials.

Billyboy's loco looks more like an S2 rather than an RS2 The S2 was a pure switching loco restricted to low speed work, the RS2&3 was the first of the modern road switchers suitable for both switching and line haul work. [video=youtube;oeG2Ejj-bNc] The S2 is an end cab design without a short hood, runs on "Blunt" trucks and has a different engine to the RS2 & RS3 classes The early Alco diesel road switchers, freight and passenger locos were plagued by engine troubles and Alco lost market share to General Motors and later General Electric. Most of the Canadian Alcos were built in Montreal, North American production of Alcos shifted to Montreal when the US plant shut down during the late 196os.

They also stacked trains in the Claremorris-Balla section on Sundays, there was an IRRS Journal Article in the 70s or 80s that went into detail on the working of pilgrimage trains at Claremorris. The practice seems to have been mainly to eliminate running round in Claremorris on busy days by swapping locos between trains in section. Once the passengers had disembarked a number of arriving trains would continue into the Claremorris-Balla section followed by a light engine, The trains would then return to Claremorris followed by a light loco and the process possibly repeat itself if necessary. I am not sure if regular services were cancelled on busy Sundays, but in 1980 the Claremorris-Balla section was free between the departure of the Up Westport passenger at 09:37 and the arrival of the Down Athlone-Westport passenger at 13:22.

The canopy and roller doors in the West end of the goods shed and the blocking of the windows was most likely carried out in connection with the introduction of Liner Trains for bagged cement traffic in 1976-7. (1st pallet cement wagons introduced 1976) Loose coupled goods trains continued to operate for another year or so until sundries traffic was containerised using 10” & 20’ Uniload containers. One of the advantages of modelling Claremorris is that there was relatively little change in the track layout and general appearance of the station between the closure of the Ballinrobe line and the ripping out of the junction with the Limerick line in the early 2000s despite the change from loose coupled to liner train operation. Bagged cement trains to stations in County Mayo operated from the Limerick rather than Drogheda factory. The daily Limerick-Claremorris loose coupled goods ceased to operate after the closure of Tuam and Gort to sundries and wagon load traffic. The transition era from loose coupled to liner train operation would be an interesting to model, with loose coupled goods train carrying sundries and containers as individual wagon loads operating alongside the newly introduced Liner trains carrying Asahi, bagged cement, fertiliser and twice weekly North Wall-Oranmore-Claremorris ESSO oil train.

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I had meant oil traffic was handled a the Southern Yard the old WLWR goods yard rather than the stub of the Ballinrobe branch. May 1969 edition of Irish Railfans News records that Galway and Claremorris were the latest stations to receive gantry cranes for container traffic and that all keg traffic except Belfast is now transported in special Lancashire Flats loaded by the gantry crane at the Guinness Sidings at Heuston.. Its possible Claremorris may have ceased to handle bagged cement traffic when IE went though one of its rationalisation processes in the late 80. The volume of keg traffic handled at Claremorris increased with the closure of Westport, Castlebar and eventually Galway to freight traffic.

Claremorris goods shed was converted to a bagged cement store with a canopy and forklift access through the gable end in a similar manner to Tuam and Gort as part of the Rail Plan 80. The yard layout and shed evolved with increasing goods traffic http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,533827,775117,12,9 Claremorris yard is interesting in that CIE modernised freight handling in the yard in the 70s with little or no track alteration, a gantry for container traffic was installed in the late 60s and ESSO oil traffic transferred from “The Southern Siding” to the yard in the late 70s.

The drawing on p71 shows the same seating arrangement as p70 but with the luggage compartment at one end. Drg © H Richards The drawings look GSWR rather than WLWR in design and the WLWR may have been listed with the GSWR composites because they had a similar seating layout. Drg © H Richards Some ex-WLWR composites had a luggage compartment, lavatory and 1/2 compartment ends, panelling quite different to the GSWR. The drawings in GSWR Carriage Diagrams were prepared in 4mm scale by Herbert Richards who modelled the GSWR

907 is included within a list of GSWR 1/2nd on Page 70 GSWR Carriage Diagrams TRA 1975 Richards and Pender. significantly Page 71 states that the information is incomplete for these coaches

Larne Harbour 1936 photo taken 3 years after narrow gauge passenger services ended. Irish Standard Gauge Railways (D&C) Photo L&GRP

Larne Harbour would be an interesting challenge with broad and narrow gauge running lines into the passenger station and goods yard, including mixed gauge platform roads and sidings. The Londonderry Port & Harbour Commissioners (LPHC) lines were interesting in that the LPHC used broad gauge locos to work narrow gauge wagons to and from the Donegal & Swilly over the port railway system. The mixed gauge siding and turntable at Strabane was originally provided for swapping wagon bodies between the broad and narrow gauge as part of an Edwardian Swap Body system that worked on a similar principal to modern roll off containers. There was mixed gauge diamond crossings rather than true mixed gauge track at Ballymena, Ballymoney and Maguires Bridge (CVR) where broad gauge sidings crossed narrow gauge running lines and sidings. Ballymena loco shed was used by both the broad and narrow gauge and would have been an interesting sight with BNCR Green or NCC Crimson lake narrow gauge compounds and Whippets. There is no evidence that I am aware of mixed gauge trackage or crossovers on the C&L at Dromad or Belurbet. One of the more interesting crossings was one where a BNM line crossed the Banagher branch line and BNM normally had the right of way!

KiwiRail use side beams to protect railway over bridges from side impact damage. The basic idea is that the beams and truck absorb the impact rather than the railway bridge. The beams are large box section steel painted yellow supported by the bridge abutments or an independent structure.

All that's needed is an Irish Pete Waterman and an army of craftsmen and women to turn the dream into reality. A Scale 7 Cork main line layout in an aircraft hanger would be something else. I wonder does Bono or Dennis O'Brien like model trains?

Harry It might be worth while taking out a subscription to New Irish Lines and getting a copy of "Great Southern Locomotives" Colourpoint Books http://www.colourpointbooks.co.uk/more_details.php?id=261. The Nov 2014 and May 2015 issues of New Irish Lines included copies of GSWR/GSR weight diagrams for a number of classes including the 400s & 500. It looks like the initial proposal for the 500 Class 4-6-0 was prepared under Watson in 1916, which puts the GSWR on an equal footing with the LSWR in terms of developing the modern British 2 cylinder mixed traffic 4-6-0. The GSWR inside cylinder 4-6-0s were nothing exceptional by the standards of the time the LNWR had over 500 inside cylinder 4-6-0, the 170 19" goods built 1906-9 were close in terms of size and power to the Irish locos. A small number of 19' goods survived into early BR days, the majority of LNWR inside cylinder 4-6-0s were scrapped during the same time period as the Irish locos.

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Hornby appears to be stronger association with model railways and someone wanting to buy a train set than Bachmann. Our local model shop dropped Bachmann in favour Hornby several years ago the model railway side of the business focusses mainly on parents adding on parents adding on to the train set bought at Christmas than adult modellers who tend to buy mail order from overseas. Hornby weak financial position makes the business a potential target for a takeover by Kader, who would probably drop the Bachmann Branchlines brand in favour of Hornby