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The extra railing, gsr800, was on one of the trio for some of the time; cryptic question - which one and when? Answers on a postcard? Disputes will be adjudicated by me grandfather. Who's got a shovel in Mount Jerome?

No, that'll be a 40ft trailer driver, not a van driver.....

In both those particular places, unfortunately it's absolutely not. Places are thin on the ground.

If so, please PM me as I have some details I can pass on in relation to Irish stuff. Nothing major, just some odds and ends in my head. Something reminded me of it!

Those Palvans look absolutely fantastic! (Don't forget to paint the chassis grey!) The Palvans had three different variations of end details and two variations of door. Earlier ones had strapping on doors, later ones plain doors. The end details are better described by photos than dscriptiins, but some were plain with strapping, others corrugated, and others again half and half. Plenty of scope for variations! Roundels tan surround / white lettering on grey vans, all-white on brown vans post 1970. The MGWR vans and horse box also look fantastic - well done.

Looks narrow gauge, but it isn't Schull & Skib. It looks like one of a number of goods vans built by the GSR for the West Clare in the late 1920s.

I never liked the 1990s red and blue. The sight of an original DSER signal cabin painted like a garish fairground attraction was absolutely ghastly. Nor was I too keen on the cream and light grey in recent times - the old green and cream used variously by CIE, and a similar scheme used by the UTA, looked well. Just as CIE had grey shades in the 70s, so did NIR, on the few stations they bothered repainting! Though that was a much darker grey.... The MGWR had bright emerald green engines, always kept sparkly clean. Add to this brown coaches, also well kept, and stations in pillar-box red and buff, and we've a recipe for a very attractive scene!

Many thanks, junctionmad. We see various collections coming online in these days, and of course we can access the excellent stuff put online by the likes of the National Library, or view it (as I have done) in the archive in Temple Bar. Irishswissernie, of this website, has also posted some amazing stuff, as have people like Roger Joanes. It's good to share. All too often, stuff gets squirrelled away by someone, or worse, thrown out. I doubt there's a single photographer in the world that wants that. History is made of such stuff, and I do think it's incumbent of any of us who remember certain things to pass them on to anyone who's interested. What I've posted here is the best of what I have, I had a cheap camera for most of the interesting times, and like many a one back in the day, couldn't afford enough film to take all the pictures I'd like to have done. I'm looking at a future publication to encompass the best of what I have, like Michael McMahon (rather excellently!) did recently. It might take the form of an album including some of my father and grandfathers stuff, but I'm light years away from having time to sort and sift. Meanwhile, I'll shtick the odd thing up here. I'm glad it's of interest to people. The railways 1950-80 were possibly the most interesting period in history. For us modeller's, "the devil's in the detail". Not everyone wants accuracy, not everyone cares, and fair play to them; but for those who DO, or who want to put a lot of effort into modelling accurately, it's detail info that's needed. And for those of us with a lengthy enough list of birthdays, who were privileged enough to see it, I feel we've almost a responsibility to pass it on. Thanks for the comments, folks.

The black'n'tan was officially displaced by "supertrain" on all main line locos, though not the "E" or "G" class, in 1972. All Mk 2 AC coaches were new in that livery. All new carriages after that were the same. All other carriages (laminates, Bredins, Cravens, Park Royals) remained black'n'tan until the end of their lives, including the then ex-AEC push-pull railcars. From about 1991, Cravens began to have an amended version of the old black'n'tan. Instead of a single white line above the windows, they had an orange line as well, and a white "tippex" line below window level. CIE Genny vans (BR type) ended their days in black'n'tan, albeit with the lower tippex line added, but NO upper orange line. The actual B'n'T livery lives on in traffic through DCDR's BR van 3189. Some Park Royals ended up with tippex lines too, but only below window - no orange line above. Just the original white band there. So B'n'T to the end basically for virtually all pre-1972 / non-air-conditioned carriages. A "point of order" here; if the modeller wants to accurately recreate anything before the early 90s, ensure your Cravens have no tippex or orange line above window level..... The "Dutch" vans - most remained B'n'T until their life's end, but a few were rebuilt with added carbuncles on the ends to run with the oul tin BR scrappers, and these were repainted in "tippex". And thus was born one of the ugliest rail-borne contraptions that the world has ever known.

Brilliant, Spudfan! Liverywise, we have might-have-beens....particularly if Ireland had not been divided in 1921. 1. Home Rule is defeated and we all stay in the UK to this day: cue laminates, Donegal railcars (if they survive) and "A" class diesels all in BR blue, and both GNR blue locos, and CIE grey ones, all in lined Brunswick green or black. No CDR cherry red, nor GNR blue; these came after 1921 so wouldn't have happened. 2. All of Ireland becomes independent in 1921. GNR engines grey. Blue GNR carriages GSR maroon. The Donegal railways all in CIE green, flying snails everywhere. NCC jeeps are unlined grey. And - the Hunslets are as above. If you look at an NIR 111, or their pair of 201s when new in plain blue, I always thought the orange and black schemes looked better. Now, seeing that Hunslet, I'm convinced!

Wow! That's amazing, Wrenneire! As warbonnet says, on to the next project... I had to get rid of my garden railway stuff a few years ago, though it wasn't anything remotely like that amount!

I was standing on my head when I took them, popeye.......

These were indiscriminately mixed with CIE "H" vans in traffic. Vans of this type had "N" after the number, both stencilled on the side AND on the CIE cast chassis plate, e.g. 111N which is one of these. These vans dated from 1954, among the last built by the GNR(B) and just a few years older than the "H" vans. Also to be seen among them well into the seventies were the last few of the distinctive GSR inside framed goods vans, designed by jhb171senior's senior. ....and for comparison, a standard "H".

Well, it is a model of an iron horse....

On an earlier theme, Whitehead will be jam packed as from now; anything else RPSI has to go elsewhere.

The seats with the signs are the very light grey, same as what looks like "white"; actually an extremely pale grey. The Hillman Hunter colour looks beige-y in the picture, but in real life might best be described as a sandy grey colour.

Yes, I remember getting a phone call from the late Sullivan Boomer - he was chairman and I was treasurer - made me sick to hear it. Six carriages (not all restored, but all very historic) reduced to ashes. If I was to print here what I would have liked to do to the perpetrators.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Definitely orange, Dive; this was without exception always the case - the older more "tan" orange, not the brighter shade. Some models display a roundel which is a bit TOO "orange". In that pic, the loco is withdrawn and its faded. In traffic, even weathered ones never lost the "tan". 434 is full tan, but suffers from a poor photo; the other actually is too. They never used off white except on the navy and cream / red and cream town/country buses. And ONE rail vehicle: the "steam-engine-lookalike" weedspray train had a bus (off-white) roundel on the cab sides. Maybe if steam engines had survived, they'd have been black with off-White roundels! I actually meant to comment on that but forgot!

so they're painting the Luas blue now!

I stand corrected!

No, it's CIE green now.

The RPSI managed, very creditably, to get four of these from traffic with CIE in the mid 70s, when they were among the last in use. Thanks to scumbags, vandals and the associated dregs of society and walking filth who delight in wrecking things, three were destroyed by fire. (If I describe such people in detail I will be forever banned by the mods!)... One remains with the heritage set in Dublin. Among all the RPSI's carriages, it is one of the most historic, and would have worked with "Maedb". Whitehead annual Open Day, I think 1978. The carriages are painted maroon, and having been stored outside are weathered genuinely to what they might have been when awaiting repaint in GSR days. The lining is authentic for GSR, as far as it goes, but there should also be a single thin yellow line just above window level, and another just below the cantrail, as well as GSR numerals and crests. The suburban one - last survivor and now burnt...1333. When initially built, they had no gangways as they were intended for DSER suburban services. Incidentally, the last time I travelled in a "Bredin" was in summer 1976, on a train pack to the doors with teenagers going to the Kerry Gaeltacht.....! I don't remember seeing any in traffic after that, though there were possibly two still useable at Heuston...

An "E" bumbles about Heuston. The only one I ever saw with such a big chimney. Or maybe it was just telling lies. "That crowd you saw playing in the Baggot Inn last night* whatyecallem U2, sure they'll never get anywhere" ( * and Guinness was 38p a pint..... ) A much newer cousin sets sail for Waterford. Original dark orange and unique version (and colouring) of snail. Meanwhile in Inchicore: Note, E405 has a non-standard font for its number. 409 was the same. Such variations were as good as unique - they were never on any other larger locos, and few if ANY other 401s. Not to be outdone, North Wall had an "A", as usual, on the Taras. They are still painted blue, but for modelling purposes you can see how the BLUE paint looked when weathered by the stuff they carry. The "A" class would monopolise this traffic for another to years, until it became their last.

Just as the GSWR's grey loco livery lasted beyond the GSWR, and its GSR successor, and to the end of CIE steam in 1963, so did the GSR station livery. I believe this may also have originated with the GSWR in later days, but I could be wrong on that. Green lower, standard CIE dark green that is, cream above with a one inch black line separating them. Those who watch the LUAS green line being built a few years ago will have seen this exposed on the pillars at Dundrum old station building as it was being refurbished. Here's the platform shelter on the down side at Collooney (south) station (W L & W R) in 1975, twelve years after the last passenger train called. The green is a bit faded, and the colour in the photo is no longer up to much. Needs to be photoshopped within an inch of its life. The wooden seats are green. So, think CIE preserved green, CIE preserved 800 green. [ATTACH=CONFIG]23046[/ATTACH]

When modelling the 1970/80s period, we are seeing ever better and more detailed models of trains, mainly thanks to people on this website, but all too often stations are neglected. Recently I commented on the absence of cattle docks in so many layouts, probably because it's now over forty years since any we used! So, the following to guide on colour schemes. Today, the is a degree of uniformity in station colour schemes, though exceptions occur. This was the case in the fifties and sixties, when most CIE (and UTA) stations carried green schemes, but occasionally red and cream. In the 70s and early 80s it was a great deal more uniform, with three or four (not fifty) shades of grey. A lighter shade is evident at Moate, with the darker shade in the background, while at Ardrahan the dark shade is more evident. The lighter shade was almost universal on platform awnings (though I've a notion Bray might have been dark... Craughwell first, 1976. At Attymon and Moate were the last two MGWR original enamel signs, both on the back of station platform seats. It's 1976 again. Around them is the standard CIE grey shades for stations. The MGWR used white lettering on navy enamel backgrounds for most station signs, but occasionally on smaller ones navy on white enamel. Moate cabin. Totally MGWR still. Athlone Midland (or might I suggest Athlone Proper!) Ardrahan, showing colour scheme and also the standard CIE signage of the day (plastic). Ballingrane Junction Newcastle West - recently closed, as this picture is from 1978. And Claremorris. The footbridge carries a GSR sign, as many did then , especially on the DSER. Like the MGWR, these were enamel. Almost always they had white lettering on black backgrounds, but occasionally black on white enamel.