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I suddenly had an idea - YouTube. John Hewitt's series of seven 1993/4 IR videos and sure enough, there's a Mk2 set in this one at 2:17. Looks like silver frames on the windows though the light is rather poor: I'll let you see if you agree

We'll I've been through the Journals and while they describe the livery, no mention is made of the window frames sadly. It's an ex-Mk2c Open First The original Mk2s (sometimes known as Mk2Z) were vacuum braked and dual heated, some later gained air brakes. These had centre doors. The Mk2A were the first strictly air-braked ones though some were later converted to vacuum for local requirements, again centre doors. Mk2B lost the centre doors and had as you rightly say, wide wrapround end doors. Mk2C were to get air-con so we're slightly longer and internally had lowered ceilings and ducts for the air-con Mk2D were the first air-con and have deeper door droplights than the other air-cons Mk2E had diagonally opposite toilets in second class Mk2F the same plus improved ait-con system with only one fan unit on non-brake vehicles. The Irish Mk2 AC stock while labelled "D" is really the Mk2E design but with the superior Mk2F air-con system! Confused yet? ;)

I can find this photo without such window frames taken in 2002, so towards the end of the fleet's life: So if they had silver frames, they were painted out by the end. I have the relevant journals which detail the introduction of the fleet to traffic, bear with me a few minutes and I'll see if window frames get a mention.

Perhaps, I'm just a bit suspicious of the clearances and how they managed to avoid hitting anything but the fence.

The gap in the fence makes it even more intriguing, they managed to miss a parked car AND a planter on the platform:

I think this takes some beating: Stirling railway station today. In a bizarre turn of events also car ended up on the line at Fort William today as well!

Not sure if these have been posted before, but they were only uploaded to YouTube in April. Both are by the same author - Phil Thomas Trains. The first video is of trains around Dublin in May and December 2002: The second is of trains at Kildare taken in May 2002: Having watched both now I found them most enjoyable, and good reference material for any 2000s-era modellers. Enjoy!

I have a noted formation to add: August 1976 18.10 Hueston-Galway "Cú na Mara" 5603, 5151, 5404, 5226, 5233, 5156, 5223, 5152, 5236 Notes: 5603 - Generator Van 5151 & 5152 - Composites (24F, 24S) 5404 - Kitchen Standard (30S) 5226, 5233, 5223, 5236 - Standards (64S) 5156 - Standard (54S)

It suddenly occurred to me this evening after finding a photo of a Mk3 which answered another one of the mysteries of the CIÉ/IÉ fleet that I was now in a position to answer my own questions after all these months! In case it's of interest to anyone I'll summarise as follows: Finally, despite what the ITG and Platform 5 stock books say, it appears that 7110 never reverted to a 72-seat layout as the books suggest but internally remained identical to 7107 with 64 seats.

Just taken delivery of some more archive journals, one of which is the October 1970 one with an article on the 800 Class. Within the article it is stated that the maximum recorded speed was 94mph below Kilmallock near Dundrum when 800 herself was on a demonstration run shortly before the Cork Mails were accelerated in July 1939. In a similar manner to the GWR in Britain, there was no specified maximum linespeed only permanent speed restrictions for curves and junctions. There are also a number of timing logs which demonstrate speeds in the 70s including a maximum of 79 on the up Enterprise in 1951 and 80.5 on the down working also I'm 1951. By this point linespeed was officially 70mph rather than unrestricted.

I've seen that before, quite a rare leaflet I should say I've never seen one up for sale for instance. Excellent illustration of how the Mk3s looked internally when new, though I think the switch to have more table bays in preference to the original predominantly airline seating arrangement was probably better.

Neither was I, just passing comment on how the lighting changes the perception of colours

As in the Supertrain Mk3s carried different "golden browns"? I was aware that occurred with the Tippex livery and indeed is quite obvious in many rakes into the mid-1990s but I wasn't aware the base colour changed shade with the Supertrain livery.

Unless there is no "First Class" Amazing how the lighting changes the appearance of the "golden brown" though. Some interesting photos on that flickr as well

Sorry, don't think that link works properly. This should link directly to the relevant table: https://timetableworld.com/ttw-viewer?token=d63f99a5-4f24-4799-ad06-99f4a8827ea3

Some people may recall a website called Timetable World. This previously held a small number of scans of British/American/German railway timetables from the 1940s to 1960s. After remaining unchanged first some years, it has now been updated with an expanded collection of timetables. More material is to be added, but there is now an Irish timetable on the site, the CIÉ 1983 timetable, which may be of interest to some: https://timetableworld.com/viewer?token=66d160cc-d943-40f6-be38-842d1602845c# I believe there are more Irish as well as British and international timetables to come soon.

In the 1990s, connections to Ballina were only offered to/from Dublin and after Manulla re-opened passengers were not accommodated from Claremorris anymore even though the branch train still ran there to run-around. Going off this video, it appears the branch train preceded the Dublin-Westport to Ballina, and followed the Westport-Dublin to Claremorris:

Claremorris because there was no facility to run-round at Manulla in later years.

For locomotives, yes. Only the IÉ 201s had dynamic (rheostatic) brakes fitted and it was permanently isolated. None of the older GM (or MV or Sulzer) locos even had the capability - strictly tread brakes only.

Perhaps that is the case, but my understanding was the conversion wasn't found to be that reliable with the two locos stood out of traffic for a period while the other "C"s were being converted to "B"s with GM engines. I know CIÉ did consider driving trailers for the MkIID sets on the Limerick and Waterford lines (not sure if they were to be new build or conversions). Your "IC75" brings up something else I've just recalled and wondered about - both the Park Royal and Cravens were listed as 80mph vehicles (at least they were designed for running at 80) in their official spec when new, yet CIÉ never ran faster than 75 on the Cork Road until the Mk3 stock came in. Was there a plan to allow 80mph running on the Cork Road in the 1960s when the Cravens were being introduced or was the 80mph design speed more of a 'nominal' figure? Not directly specifically at yourself Mayner, more a general observation and pondering. Edit: perhaps this would be better discussed in the "1960s" thread rather than this one? Perhaps mods could advise/move, thanks

I seem to recall it was dropped to a 40 limit in the early 1990s presumably because of track condition. I think it was then raised to the present 60 after full relaying? Gordon Bennett(!), I don't know what I was expecting but 1920s vintage is about 30-40 years older than I anticipated! Nice shot, I'd rather overlooked the whole C>B conversion still being in progress but it does seem unlikely a 550hp "C class" being entrusted with a frontline 'Supertrain'.

Ballina looked rough in the 1990s based on this footage: (See 1 min 45 to 3 mins 05)

I suppose once re-engined, a B201 was more of a "puller" than most of the GMs. Even with the same nominal engine output as a B181, the MV electrical equipment gives them 842hp at the rail compared to 810hp for a B181. I would agree the bogies were smoother riding, that also seems to have been one of the few redeeming features of the original 'A's. Though it doesn't always help, BR Class 47s have Commonwealths and they had a reputation for rolling like a ship in a Force 12 at 95mph! Must try flickr again for a photo, now knowing they did have a booked working I can narrow my search. That photo above was one I was already aware of.

Here we are, 224 shunts Supertrain AC stock at Hueston in late-September 1978:

Not in service that I'm aware of but ECS definitely, give me a tick and I'll find you a photo...