Irish Inglenook.

[GNRi1959]

I’ve been thinking Of building a small Irish shunting layout.  I was wondering if anyone knows of an Irish location that has the same track arrangement as the much loved Inglenook shunting plan. 

[Northroader]

Not quite what you have in mind, I’m sure, but you could try Moyasta on the West Clare. Two long roads diverging with a platform, and a short road for an engine shed, which needs to be brought up forward with the rest, which would then match an Inglenook. Upsize from 3’ gauge, you have potential for placing loco, carriages, wagons (forming up mixed trains?) and you can include some buildings? Sort of small version of Belturbet, say.

http://eiretrains.com/Photo_Gallery/Railway Stations M/Moyasta Junction/IrishRailwayStations.html

[Westcorkrailway]

Small terminus like kinsale, courtmacsherry and Baltimore on the CBSC spring to mind

[Mayner]

Have you considered Omagh Market Goods Yard? https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/negative-ireland-gnr-ireland-railways-464111290?popular

Appears to be close to an Inglenook ladder arrangement with four rather than 3 sidings off a single line.

Seems to have handled a variety of traffic including ESSO oil and petrol tank wagons in additional to covered and open wagons

[GNRi1959]

I have the actual track plan of the yard but to be honest I've done more than enough with Omagh, thank you for suggesting anyway.

[jhb171achill]

Fintona has great possibilities.

[Galteemore]

And today’s entry in ‘sentences I never thought I’d hear’…..

[jhb171achill]

Fintona, or something based on it, is perfect for a very small mini-terminus….

[Galteemore]

I was referring to Fintona post 57! 

[jhb171achill]

44 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

I was referring to Fintona post 57! 

Ah, ok - but actually better still!  Had this place survived, it would almost certainly have be3come a goods-only depot. For a mini-layout, one loco and just a dozen wagons does the trick....

[Galteemore]

Ok Jb - my attempt at dissing the one horse town of Fintona has clearly backfired (and even the horse left in 57!). However, you are quite right - it’s a good prototype. The options are really to make it as a small station goods yard or as a factory setting. I suspect the former would allow more variety. 

Edited October 13, 2021 by Galteemore

[jhb171achill]

1 minute ago, Galteemore said:

Ok Jb - my attempt at dissing the one horse town of Fintona has clearly backfired (and even the horse left in 57!). However, you are quite right - it’s a good prototype. The options are really to make it as a small station goods yard or as a factory setting. I suspect the former would allow more variety. 

I LIKE that! "One horse town"!

Perfect! 

 

[GNRi1959]

I build a model of the tram back in 90s. It went to the museum in Cultra.

[TimO]

Does anyone have a track plan of Ardee?

That was goods only for a time and might suffice. 

[jhb171achill]

Indeed - it was goods only for some 45 years! To make a shunting layout it would need to be compressed a good bit, I would have thought - from memory when I went there on an RPSI train, the layout was somewhat spread out. But a good option, as you say. Another might be Castleisland, Co Kerry, or Fenit. Both of those saw the "G" class on a regular basis!

[Mayner]

Tony has asked for an Irish example of Alan Wrights classic Inglenook shunting puzzle http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-inglenook.html 

Basically a small goods yard with two points and two sidings that can be modeled as a self contained layout on a single baseboard with no hidden staging or fiddle yard.

Private sidings serving a Paper, Linen or Flour/Feed Mill are probably closest to this sort of arrangement in Ireland, Patrick Davey's "Brookhall Mill" is a good example.

Branchline terminals like Ardee, Castleisland and Fenit are a lot more spread out though a compressed Fintona would be very close to John Allen's classic "Timesaver" shunting puzzle.

http://www.wymann.info/ShuntingPuzzles/sw-timesaver.html

[KMCE]

Tony,

Part of the chemical works in Wicklow would provide the shunting puzzle you are looking for with a little creative licence.

The section shown below will provide the necessary sidings and the buildings can be used to hide the  ends of the sidings, whilst the loop onto the main line could be "closed" with a level crossing gate or similar.

 

There are still some buildings remaining, although barely at this stage.  I have some photos I took some time ago if they are of any use.

House 1

 

House 2:

 

Chemical plant buildings with bricked up rail archs just visible:

It's a location I had in mind for some time, as we do not have many industrial sites in Ireland, however to do it full justice, a very large layou is needed & I just don't have space at the minute.

 

Possible option?

Ken

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by KMCE

[Irishswissernie]

My first 2 A Class are apparently on the Delivery Van today so whilst I'm sitting here waiting for them Tony, here's my tuppence worth!. I am building a small Isle of Wight addition to Glengarriff and Four Masters Bridge called Alum Bay which at one time was planned by Sir Sam Fay to have a direct link to them via a tunnel under the Solent. Southern England, the Bristol Channel, South Wales, the Irish Sea and emerging at Blarney Castle. Enough of this rubbish!

The layout would fit a space 160cm x 30cm (36cm gives a better depth of scenery) and needs 5 points. The photos illustrate it better. Sorry for the wavy lines on the cut outs but my hands are shaking anticipating the arrival of the 'A's.

My usual means of disguising the exit to the fiddle yard by means of a station overall roof is deployed and the GNRI had a distinctive design which would fit. You can even run a passenger service but coaches wouldn't be necessary.

5 points needed. On my layout the board is dropped at the end so that I can model the edge of the cliff at Alum Bay with a cliff railway terminus but the board could just be flat. Also on my layout the station is planned to link in with the rest of the layout rather than terminating in the fiddle yard.

[GNRi1959]

Ernie (autocorrect), I appreciate your input and thoughts. I learner over 30yrs of modelling prototypes is that no matter how good the buildings and scenery were, it can only be 2nd to good trackwork and a well thought out operational plan. I have two layouts in mind- a shunting yard or a 4'6" diameter circular layout. Only problem with circular is after it goes round a few times you'll make yourself dizzy!

Edited October 15, 2021 by GNRi1959

[Irishswissernie]

12 minutes ago, GNRi1959 said:

Eric

Wrong one Tony, I'm the one with the short fat hairy legs!

Ernie

[J-Mo Arts]

On 14/10/2021 at 10:12 AM, Irishswissernie said:

My first 2 A Class are apparently on the Delivery Van today so whilst I'm sitting here waiting for them Tony, here's my tuppence worth!. I am building a small Isle of Wight addition to Glengarriff and Four Masters Bridge called Alum Bay which at one time was planned by Sir Sam Fay to have a direct link to them via a tunnel under the Solent. Southern England, the Bristol Channel, South Wales, the Irish Sea and emerging at Blarney Castle. Enough of this rubbish!

The layout would fit a space 160cm x 30cm (36cm gives a better depth of scenery) and needs 5 points. The photos illustrate it better. Sorry for the wavy lines on the cut outs but my hands are shaking anticipating the arrival of the 'A's.

My usual means of disguising the exit to the fiddle yard by means of a station overall roof is deployed and the GNRI had a distinctive design which would fit. You can even run a passenger service but coaches wouldn't be necessary.

5 points needed. On my layout the board is dropped at the end so that I can model the edge of the cliff at Alum Bay with a cliff railway terminus but the board could just be flat. Also on my layout the station is planned to link in with the rest of the layout rather than terminating in the fiddle yard.

Sorry to drift the thread somewhat but may I ask about that GN 4-4-0? Is it a kit? 

 

In terms of Irish shunting layouts, @KMCE of this forum did one of the Scalescenes boxfile layouts (excellently) in 21mm gauge, link:

Thanks

[Westcorkrailway]

8 minutes ago, J-Mo Arts said:

Sorry to drift the thread somewhat but may I ask about that GN 4-4-0? Is it a kit? 

 

In terms of Irish shunting layouts, @KMCE of this forum did one of the Scalescenes boxfile layouts (excellently) in 21mm gauge, link:

Thanks

The GNR loco probobly a 00 Works GNR U class. RTR rather then a kit 

[Galteemore]

 

[J-Mo Arts]

Ah, I see. Looks a lovely model! Thanks for letting me know

Edited October 23, 2021 by J-Mo Arts