Open and Covered Wagon Decorated Samples & LMA Wagon JM Design February 2022 update

[Mayner]

Railtec Models finalised the transfers for the majority of our current and planned wagons in January and I completed some decorated samples of the Covered and Open Wagons.

 

17012-17211 Series covered wagon original 1946 dark grey scheme with green snail and lettering and black chalk board.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon light grey scheme with white snail logo and lettering.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon 1960s grey scheme with white wheel logo and lettering.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon 1970s brown scheme with white wheel logo and lettering.

RCH/GSR Standard open wagon with snail logo.

IRCH/GSR Standard open wagon with wheel logo.

 

The wagons will also be available in undecorated form with a decal set with both white snail and wheel logos and 10 sets of running numbers.

 

 

And now for something completely different.

Following the theme of modelling the less common versions of the "Standard' CIE H Van a model of the rare LMA Wagons (Light Metal Alloy) built in the early 1950s before the introduction of the "Standard" H Van with plywood body and Bullied underframe.

16812 was the last of the 15147-16812 series 10T  covered wagons built by the GSWR/GSR/CIE from 1915 onwards the remainder of the LMA wagons 17213-17221 were built in 1952

The buffers on the test print chassis had a bit of an accident and we have beefed up the buffer shanks on the LMA and "Standard" covered wagons which share a common (not quite) chassis.

I was always fascinated by these wagons as although described in "Irish Railways Today" (Pender and Richards 1967 & Locomotives and Rolling Stock of CIE & NIR (Doyle and Hirsch) they were extremely photo shy I did not come across a physical example until I came across the grounded body of 16812 in use as a store on a construction site in 1982-3 and did not see a photo of a complete wagon until I saw a photo of a pair of LMA wagons awaiting scrapping on the IRRS Flickr site.

I am currently fulfilling existing orders for the Open, Covered and Grain wagons with our first batch of 2022 models currently at the printers.

I am planning to update the website during the next two weeks.

Shipping:

Currently items are taking 4-5 weeks to reach Ireland and Australia with shorter transit times to the United States, the UK and Continental Europe and is likely to remain un-predictable as Ormicron continues to its stuff.

 

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Mayner

[StevieB]

Some more lovely stuff here.

Stephen

[flange lubricator]

14 hours ago, Mayner said:

 

 

I was always fascinated by these wagons as although described in "Irish Railways Today" (Pender and Richards 1967 & Locomotives and Rolling Stock of CIE & NIR (Doyle and Hirsch) they were extremely photo shy I did not come across a physical example until I came across the grounded body of 16812 in use as a store on a construction site in 1982-3 and did not see a photo of a complete wagon until I saw a photo of a pair of LMA wagons awaiting scrapping on the IRRS Flickr site.

 

 

 

I am also discovering some wonderful gems in that IRRS flickr site there is fabulous one of a H van 18828 in green with Vacuum brakes with sliding doors by Gerard McGowan , which like you I had read about but never seen picture of one . Many thanks to Ciaran Cooney of the IRRS for painstakingly taking the time to scan these pictures ,  while some of them are just ordinary rolling stock photos and would not appeal to many they provide a wealth of information for the modeller .

Edited February 8, 2022 by flange lubricator

[jhb171achill]

A rare beast, indeed; colour pics of them are as rare as hen's teeth, as the green livery was only applied to very few, and was very short-lived. It seems that the idea was to use them on mail trans between Cork and Tralee. This green livery, which included (coach-like) black ends and chassis (for once!), and probably a dark grey roof, only appeared in the early 60s and would have repainted grey after the "snails" were replaced by "roundels" from 1963 onwards.

A note in either the IRN or IRRS Journal suggests that 100 were painted this way - that is certainly incorrect. It's possible that was at one time a plan, but if so it was never executed. I seem to recall seeing somewhere in the past a note that in fact only four or six were thus treated.

[flange lubricator]

9 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

A rare beast, indeed; colour pics of them are as rare as hen's teeth, as the green livery was only applied to very few, and was very short-lived. It seems that the idea was to use them on mail trans between Cork and Tralee. This green livery, which included (coach-like) black ends and chassis (for once!), and probably a dark grey roof, only appeared in the early 60s and would have repainted grey after the "snails" were replaced by "roundels" from 1963 onwards.

A note in either the IRN or IRRS Journal suggests that 100 were painted this way - that is certainly incorrect. It's possible that was at one time a plan, but if so it was never executed. I seem to recall seeing somewhere in the past a note that in fact only four or six were thus treated.

RCTS | Irish Railways (CIE) (zenfolio.com)

 

[jhb171achill]

Superb, flange!  

[Galteemore]

Complete with Hornby style black underframe ! 

[Westcorkrailway]

1 hour ago, flange lubricator said:

RCTS | Irish Railways (CIE) (zenfolio.com)

 

Ooooooh I’ve never seen them before. I want a green one 

[jhb171achill]

21 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Ooooooh I’ve never seen them before. I want a green one 

Dey wouldn’t have got to Wisht Caaark, boy, so they’re only selling them to Kerrymen…..

[leslie10646]

3 hours ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Ooooooh I’ve never seen them before. I want a green one 

Well that's not hard to get - buy one of  my 1953 van kits (with same source of transfers as John M) and paint it whatever colour you like. If Patrick can paint my GNR vans WHITE - anything goes.

By the way, and probably tempting fate - my two brake vans from John came to me in GB in just over a week, via his DPD service - well worth paying for.

[flange lubricator]

Conscious of not wanting to go too far of topic below is a picture  from left of J M Designs pre 1953 covered van , Provincial Wagons post 1953 covered van and last Provincial Wagons post 1953 covered van but ‘fitted’ brake blocks on all wheels and round hand brake wheel as they would look running with Vacuum brakes .

I certainly will be ordering a LMA van or Two for variety whn they are available.

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by flange lubricator

[Mayner]

9 hours ago, flange lubricator said:

RCTS | Irish Railways (CIE) (zenfolio.com)

 

There appears to have been approx. 320 "Fitted" H Vans with 18542-18761 built with Vacuum Brakes for running with passenger trains and 18762-18861 built in 1958 fitted with vacuum brakes in 1961/62 15 of which were fitted with sliding doors similar to the 26001 series pallet vans of 1964.

The "Fitted" H Vans appear to have been restricted to a max. speed of 35mph which would have limited their usage on passenger trains, a green H van with black ends is just about visible in a John Phillips colour photo of Sambo (steam) shunting in Irish Railways in Colour a second glance Tom Ferris Midland Publishing 1975.

The vacuum brake gear appears to have been isolated on most of the fitted vans in their final years, I visited Mullingar in the early 80s where a large number of H and Pallet wagons were stored waiting scrapping. The fitted H vans were all lettered (professionally) to the effect that they were hand brake only power brakes isolated, I didn't have a camera on the day but managed a pencil sketch of the sole surviving GNR Bulk Cement and a H Van.

[Noel]

23 hours ago, Mayner said:

Railtec Models finalised the transfers for the majority of our current and planned wagons in January and I completed some decorated samples of the Covered and Open Wagons.

 

17012-17211 Series covered wagon original 1946 dark grey scheme with green snail and lettering and black chalk board.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon light grey scheme with white snail logo and lettering.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon 1960s grey scheme with white wheel logo and lettering.

17012-17211 Series covered wagon 1970s brown scheme with white wheel logo and lettering.

RCH/GSR Standard open wagon with snail logo.

IRCH/GSR Standard open wagon with wheel logo.

 

The wagons will also be available in undecorated form with a decal set with both white snail and wheel logos and 10 sets of running numbers.

 

 

And now for something completely different.

Following the theme of modelling the less common versions of the "Standard' CIE H Van a model of the rare LMA Wagons (Light Metal Alloy) built in the early 1950s before the introduction of the "Standard" H Van with plywood body and Bullied underframe.

16812 was the last of the 15147-16812 series 10T  covered wagons built by the GSWR/GSR/CIE from 1915 onwards the remainder of the LMA wagons 17213-17221 were built in 1952

The buffers on the test print chassis had a bit of an accident and we have beefed up the buffer shanks on the LMA and "Standard" covered wagons which share a common (not quite) chassis.

I was always fascinated by these wagons as although described in "Irish Railways Today" (Pender and Richards 1967 & Locomotives and Rolling Stock of CIE & NIR (Doyle and Hirsch) they were extremely photo shy I did not come across a physical example until I came across the grounded body of 16812 in use as a store on a construction site in 1982-3 and did not see a photo of a complete wagon until I saw a photo of a pair of LMA wagons awaiting scrapping on the IRRS Flickr site.

I am currently fulfilling existing orders for the Open, Covered and Grain wagons with our first batch of 2022 models currently at the printers.

I am planning to update the website during the next two weeks.

Shipping:

Currently items are taking 4-5 weeks to reach Ireland and Australia with shorter transit times to the United States, the UK and Continental Europe and is likely to remain un-predictable as Ormicron continues to its stuff.

 

 

Absolutely exquisite models. 

[StevieB]

9 hours ago, flange lubricator said:

Conscious of not wanting to go too far of topic below is a picture  from left of J M Designs pre 1953 covered van , Provincial Wagons post 1953 covered van and last Provincial Wagons post 1953 covered van but ‘fitted’ brake blocks on all wheels and round hand brake wheel as they would look running with Vacuum brakes .

I certainly will be ordering a LMA van or Two for variety whn they are available.

 

What underframe did you put under the fitted H van, a reworked PW one or another?

[flange lubricator]

11 minutes ago, StevieB said:

What underframe did you put under the fitted H van, a reworked PW one or another?

The only difference was the addition of brake cylinder, hand brake wheel and brake blocks .

Edited February 9, 2022 by flange lubricator

[jhb171achill]

I see you've got railtec to do the correct "stencil" type of flying snail - excellent, and essential for 1960s modelling, as although the roundel replaced it in 1963, wagons still with snails were about well into the 1970s!

Also, for the lighter grey "H" vans, one still needed - the roundel with the white letters and the tan surround, which was applied to most "H" vans and probably all "palvans" while grey. I think SSM do that one anyway, maybe Railtec does too.

[Westcorkrailway]

12 hours ago, Mayner said:

A green H van with black ends is just about visible in a John Phillips colour photo of Sambo (steam) shunting in Irish Railways in Colour a second glance Tom Ferris Midland Publishing 1975.

 

The green H vans seem very well kept in both pictures I’ve seen them in. Any particular reason they were so well kept? 
 

Does anyone know of Railtec sell the stencil Flying snail transfers separately?

[leslie10646]

Yes, they do - have a look at their website - lots of useful stuff!

I think this is where you should start -

https://railtec-models.com/scale-model-transfers.php?region=2&type=5&gauge=4mm

[Westcorkrailway]

1 hour ago, leslie10646 said:

Yes, they do - have a look at their website - lots of useful stuff!

I think this is where you should start -

https://railtec-models.com/scale-model-transfers.php?region=2&type=5&gauge=4mm

I have use railtec EDN snails and lining already for 4 coaches, im chuffed with them. However I can’t find the stencil flying snails on there website. I’d want to have them for a future project. 
 

up the walls at the moment with Bandon tank chassis to finish, Number 90 3D print on the way, another coach to paint, a layout to start….I might get a H-Van and put it into green for craic…..when I get the chance!

[leslie10646]

Not sure about STENCILLED Snails - but presumably not this?

https://railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=767

[Patrick Davey]

21 hours ago, leslie10646 said:

Well that's not hard to get - buy one of  my 1953 van kits (with same source of transfers as John M) and paint it whatever colour you like. If Patrick can paint my GNR vans WHITE - anything goes.

By the way, and probably tempting fate - my two brake vans from John came to me in GB in just over a week, via his DPD service - well worth paying for.

Cream actually Leslie.....

These are super wagons John, looking forward!

Edited February 9, 2022 by Patrick Davey

[leslie10646]

I'm watching Charles Friel's excellent talk on the RPSI's bogie Guinness van.

In one of the slides - there was an open wagon being hauled out of the Guinness Yard WITH A STENCILLED SNAIL on the side!

In 4mm would you notice?

 

[flange lubricator]

Just finished painting and and adding decals to my J M Designs open and covered wagons , only when painting them did I appreciate the superb quality of these wagons. 

[jhb171achill]

On 9/2/2022 at 7:42 PM, leslie10646 said:

Not sure about STENCILLED Snails - but presumably not this?

https://railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=767

"Snails" were painted pale green 1945 - early 50s, then painted white until late 50s, and stencilled (in white) towards the end of the 50s and up to 1963. Some "snails" were still to be seen on vans until the mid 70s.