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PRE-GROUPING AND GSR COACHES IN THE CIE ERA FOR MODELLERS

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A thread like this was needed, especially those who intend to scratch-build/3D print/kit bash a type of coach to fit the Irish narrative, which with almost exponential growth of the 1950/60s era of Irish modelling as of late is essential for any modellers wonder what ran in the area they have chosen to model  

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The GSR Pullmans, from a 1926 article.

They were tried out on the Sligo line and into Limerick, probably via Nenagh; one per train.

They eventually “settled” on Dublin - Galway and Dublin - Cork.

 

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Some more details on these unique vehicles, after which I’ll post a drawing of one If them in the scale drawings section of this website.

All of these clips are taken from various issues of the “Railway Gazette” in 1925/6.

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Bottom pic is the 2nd page of top one….

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On 4/3/2022 at 4:13 PM, jhb171achill said:

anyone is ever making a model, upholstery according to jhbSenior was red

Not sure - I don't think I could stitch that small..... 🤔

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Yum yum, Living where I do I like the 'NORFOLK' connection - 'Fitzalan' (Norman origin) and Howard are the the family names of the Duke of Norfolk... Who lives in Arundel Castle in West Sussex... At least Tony Blair removed his voting right in the House of Lords!!! Mister Herbert Fitzalan Howard must have a sprog from under the stairs... LM 

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The most striking things is the introduction of the Irish Pullman cars so soon after the end of the Civil War and formation of the GSR and the involvement of the Free State Government (Tourism), Pullman Company, Railways and Shipping companies to promote tourism in the newly established Irish Free State.

Its possible that MGWR and GSWR senior management may have been involved in the project in the lead up to the Amalgamation and 1924 establishment of the GSR 

With the GSR Chairman and several Senior Officers (financial and operating) were drawn from the MGWR the Pullman Cars almost appear to be a Midland rather than a GSWR initiative which fitted in with the Midland's almost Patrician approach with a high standard of 1st Class Passenger accommodation on trains like the Galway Mails and rather spartan 3rd Class accommodation.

The GSWR and the GSR also operated a "Tourist Train" made up of modern (GSWR) side corridor bogies coaches hauled by highly polished 400 Class 4-6-0s.

While "modern" GSWR/early GSR coaches with low running boards and individual compartment doors look antiquated compared to flush sided Stanier and Bredin coaches, they are not dissimilar to contemporary Midland and LMS coaches which were considered pretty much state of the art during the early 1920s.

 

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IRRS Ardnacrusha tour says yes. 1962. I suspect you are only including 4w coaches for completeness, but for the avoidance of doubt, they were not a fixture of the Irish scene within living memory 

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4 hours ago, murphaph said:

Did the 4/6 wheelers always have their running boards into the 50s/60s?

There were no 4-wheelers (of old style) after the 1890s - bar one or two which made it to the 1910s, and which kept their footboards. In terms of the "new" 4-wheeled "tin vans", none of these, nor the handful of 1965-built 6-wheel equivalents, had footboards at all - these were only on wooden bodied stock. Six-wheelers - the default design of coaching stock from the late 1870s to the 1920s, with survivors in use until 1963 - all had footboards initially, though a very small number, usually specialised one-offs, seem to have lost them (Waterford & Tramore line springs to mind, plus one at least in Wisht Caark).

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