Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) Creating models of W class Mogul and WT Class 2-6-4 Tanks using parts from existing models. The W class mogul is a heavily modified Fowler 2-6-4 tank body, Class 5 cab and a shortened Stanier 4000 gallon tender body mounted on a Fowler underframe of the correct wheelbase. I am awaiting the arrival of another body to deal with the WT Class 2-6-4 tank. I already have a GSR K class Mogul. The lower boiler sides came from another 2-6-4 tank body I used the cab from to create a SECR River Class tank engine. Edited April 1, 2022 by Saint Johnstoun More information 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Very impressive! Good to see more NCC / UTA stuff here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorPan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Looks great, can I just ask where you got the top feed from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 The top feed was one I had in stock and modified slightly. I think it came from the good old Crownline days. I need to source a further supply as I will need one for my WT tank. The smokebox wheel and handle are available from Caley Coaches. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 The top feed was one I had in stock and modified slightly. I think it came from the good old Crownline days. I need to source a further supply as I will need one for my WT tank. The smokebox wheel and handle are available from Caley Coaches. Top feeds are available from Phoenix Precision Paints 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorPan Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Saint Johnstoun said: The top feed was one I had in stock and modified slightly. I think it came from the good old Crownline days. I need to source a further supply as I will need one for my WT tank. The smokebox wheel and handle are available from Caley Coaches. Top feeds are available from Phoenix Precision Paints Thank ye! That's my Jeep project shopping list completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) I'll keep you posted re my own Jeep conversion. I want to progress both together so when it comes to painting I can airbrush both at the same time. I only have a body for the Jeep but have a Fowler 2-6-4 tank chassis I can borrow. WT Class etc..doc Edited March 28, 2022 by Saint Johnstoun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 For the topfeed try 247 developments they do a Stanier one.Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 You need to phone 247 Developments to order but Pheonix you can order online. However both concerns give good serice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 Drawing as a PDF WT Class etc..pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 Preliminary work on the Fowler 2-6-4 body to create a Jeep. Bunker cut down and cabside cut away. Cabside from scrap Hornby Princess Coronation body inserted to create side window cab. The cab was an after effect of the creation of 46202 Princess Anne by combining Princess Royal and Coronation parts. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 Preliminary work on the Fowler 2-6-4 body to create a Jeep. Bunker cut down and cabside cut away. Cabside from scrap Hornby Princess Coronation body inserted to create side window cab. The cab was an after effect of the creation of 46202 Princess Anne by combining Princess Royal and Coronation parts. There is quite a lot of further work involved. The rear end and bunker have to be constructed and the front end needs altering - the open arrangement needs the front 'wings' lowering and the centre portion cutting back to show a raised portion. Top feed needs adding and chimney changing for a Stanier one. The lower edge of the tanks needs reprofiling. In the end a reasonable result should be possible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I suspect there will be a good many in awe of what you’re achieving. You should get the finished bodies scanned in order to produce printed versions for sale. Not everyone will have so many spare parts lying around. Stephen 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 30, 2022 Author Share Posted March 30, 2022 Progress. Running board and tank bottom reprofiled, front end rebuilt, basic structure for bunker assembled. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Shrives Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 This is great work and I am sure bound to get the good gents and IRM towers to create an rtr version which will be announced as yours leave the paint shop.... I really look forward to seeing updates as these are icons of the Northern scene. Robert 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted March 30, 2022 Share Posted March 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Robert Shrives said: This is great work and I am sure bound to get the good gents and IRM towers to create an rtr version which will be announced as yours leave the paint shop.... I really look forward to seeing updates as these are icons of the Northern scene. Robert I went through a similar phase about 20 years ago assembling kits of several British Railways steam locos only for Hornby or Bachmann to announce or release a rtr version 6-12 months later, though I think the odds of IRM producing a rtr model of a Mogul or Jeep are somewhat longer than a BR steam loco. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Robert Shrives said: I really look forward to seeing updates as these are icons of the Northern scene. Robert Depends how you define ‘North’! WT class effectively also rang down the curtain on the final days of GN main line steam; they were thus, for some three years, the last real active steam in the Republic. Moguls were also occasional visitors to Dublin. So they both did a fair amount of cross border work, even before preservation days - and we will hopefully see a Mogul in Dublin again one day. The extra braking capacity the Moguls had though,being tender locos, meant that they tended to do Derry Road goods duties more Edited March 31, 2022 by Galteemore 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) They are certainly two locos crying out to be made available as RTR. My interest is as part of showing the development of the 2-6-4 tank from the original Midland Railway proposal of 1905 through the SECR K 'River' Class right up to the BR Standard Class 4 tanks and the WT 'Jeeps'. The plot thickens due to the K class Moguls in Ireland and the Metropolitan K class tanks in the UK. Edited April 1, 2022 by Saint Johnstoun Correction 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) They are certainly two locos crying out to be made available as RTR. My interest is as part of showing the development of the 2-6-4 tank from the original Midland Railway proposal of 1905 through the SECR K 'River' Class right up to the BR Standard Class 4 tanks and the WT 'Jeeps'. The plot thickens due to the K class Moguls in Ireland and the Metropolitan K class tanks in the UK. More progress today and I have 'borrowed' a chassis from one of my Fowler 2-6-4 tanks. I need to source a chassis for the Jeep. UTA transfers arrived this morning but I await a further supply of top feeds to complete things. Edited March 31, 2022 by Saint Johnstoun 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 I'm dedicating these two models to the memory of my good friend Rev. Fergus Harris who died on Tuesday and was a great fan of Irish Railways. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 19 minutes ago, Saint Johnstoun said: I'm dedicating these two models to the memory of my good friend Rev. Fergus Harris who died on Tuesday and was a great fan of Irish Railways. Those are absolutely excellent models! 3 hours ago, Saint Johnstoun said: They are certainly two locos crying out to be made available as RTR. My interest is as part of showing the development of the 2-6-4 tank from the original Midland Railway proposal of 1905 through the SECR K 'River' Class right up to the BR Standard Class 4 tanks and the WT 'Jeeps'. The plot thickens due to the K class Moguls in Ireland and the Metropolitan K class tanks in the UK. Excellent info… Minor point; I think the first 2.6.4T “Jeeps” were 1946….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) The design of the WT was also signed off under Ivatt rather than Stanier, too. Appropriate, given that Ivatt was born in the land of the 5’3”! Nice touch re Rev Harris too. Excellent models. Although very much of the LMS ‘house style’ , the NCC locos are possessed of deceptively subtle differences. These you have nicely captured. Edited March 31, 2022 by Galteemore 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 33 minutes ago, jhb171achill said: Those are absolutely excellent models! Excellent info… Minor point; I think the first 2.6.4T “Jeeps” were 1946….. The design was discussed as early as 1940 but the first firm mention appears to be 1944 when work was started on the drawings. Dates can be a pain to define exactly. I understand the original thoughts were for more Moguls but Major Frank Pope, who took over from Malcolm Spier suggested the tank version. It is interesting that the WTs have some features more akin to the Fairburn 2-6-4 tanks like the cutaway front end and the open steps. But for the fact it was desirable to have commonality with the W class boilers, I have often wondered whether taper boilers were considered? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 23 minutes ago, Saint Johnstoun said: ……..But for the fact it was desirable to have commonality with the W class boilers, I have often wondered whether taper boilers were considered? A very interesting point, yes - I don’t know, but Seagoebox of this parish might? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagoebox Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 The LMS had used taper boilers since 1933, the Jeeps like the Moguls always had boilers of the parallel type, indeed the W and WT boilers were "non-standard" in LMS terms, when under Stanier the taper boiler was commonplace. The boilers were interchanged between Moguls and Jeeps, I think at least two Jeeps, certainly no 50 and 51 had Mogul boilers towards the end. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airfixfan Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 22 hours ago, Saint Johnstoun said: They are certainly two locos crying out to be made available as RTR. My interest is as part of showing the development of the 2-6-4 tank from the original Midland Railway proposal of 1905 through the SECR K 'River' Class right up to the BR Standard Class 4 tanks and the WT 'Jeeps'. The plot thickens due to the K class Moguls in Ireland and the Metropolitan K class tanks in the UK. Do not forget the CDR 2-6-4T locos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 The CDR locos have no direct connection with those on the list I have provided above apart from the wheel arrangement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 How it's done 1. One minor detail is that the top feed has to be added when one arrives. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 How it's done 2. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieB Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I suspect there will be a good many in awe of what you’re achieving. You should get the finished bodies scanned in order to produce printed versions for sale. Not everyone will have so many spare parts lying around. Stephen Very helpful. Stephen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Inspirational stuff! In terms of finishing, does anyone know if correct UTA lining is available? Many UTA loco and coach models seem to have yellow lining - possibly influenced by the RPSI’s own Whitehead carriage livery (which is not, nor was ever intended to be, a replica of UTA) - rather than actual UTA style - red/straw*/red on coaches and red/pale yellow on locos. (* a pale beige/cream colour) I should add, of course, that NCC lining was straw & maroon - very different indeed. The Fry model of No. 5 shows that up well…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnstoun Posted April 1, 2022 Author Share Posted April 1, 2022 I have UTA crests and roundels courtesy a friend who does bus transfers I have separate red and straw lining on 'Pressfix' sheets and the only way one seems that you can do it is to apply the red and straw separately. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagoebox Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 There is some useful information in NIL (New Irish Lines) magazines, articles by Colm Flanagan... Hornby Fowler to Jeep conversion, Vol 3 no 5, May 2004. Building an NCC Mogul from the Fowler tank, Vol 3 no 6, Nov 2004 The Mk2 Jeep and Mogul, Vol 4 no 2 Nov 2005 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadren Railway Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 They also have another article detailing how to make a Jeep from either the Fowler or Standard 4 tanks in Issue 7 from Summer 1994. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seagoebox Posted April 2, 2022 Share Posted April 2, 2022 It is all out there,.... its just knowing where to look ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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