A 3d printed 800 class for 00 (and a WLWR goods loco)

[Mayner]

12 hours ago, Horsetan said:

1000+ isn't small, when you remember that Bachmann batches are 502/504 at a time.

A small batch would be more like 250 plus spares (if such support is being made available).

1000 was the minimum batch size when I  received quotes in 2020-21 from Accurascale and a number of the Chinese factories for rtr plastic injection molded models. One of the Chinese OEM factories also produces brass rtr models with a minimum order quantity of 500 units in a quote for a 4mm steam outline loco

The minimum batch size of 1000 allows for tooling and livery variations, from memory 250 was the minimum number for a particular livery or number variations.

Although the minimum batch size was 1000 I would have needed to sell over 2500 at a similar price point to other Irish outline rtr models of a similar nature in order to reach break even point. 

Kader (Bachmann) significantly increased its minimum order quantity for OEM models following its take over and closure of Sanda Kan (manufacturer for Hornby, Walters and other prominent Model Railway/Railroad brands around 15 years ago. This in turn lead to the emergency of the current generation of Chinese specialist OEM model railway manufacturers, some managed by former Sanda Kan staff to fill the gap/opportunity created by Kader.

Its possible that Kader may have reduced its minimum order quantities in order to compete with this new generation of manufacturers.

Its unlikely that Kader would have been exactly happy with major former customers like Hornby and Walters successfully finding alternative manufacturers and a new generation of disruptor manufacturers like Rapido and Accurascale emerging eating into its Bachmann US and Bachmann UK market share

Edited October 28 by Mayner

[GSR 800]

Received the 800 last Friday, been working on her since!

Good bit more detail and painting to do, lining needs to be added to the cab sides and tender, window frames need to be put in, number and nameplates need to be fitted.

Here's how she looks so far

Edited November 8 by GSR 800

[gibbo675]

Hi Killian,

Just like my railway, unusual handmade prototypes running on track with no ballast !

Gibbo

[Galteemore]

That’s stunning. You can create a very convincing 800 by chopping around an LMS 4-6-0 but this is another level. Perfectly captured the ‘face’. Hope you are very pleased. BTW station has a nice Sligo look about it  

Edited November 8 by Galteemore

[GSR 800]

1 hour ago, Galteemore said:

That’s stunning. You can create a very convincing 800 by chopping around an LMS 4-6-0 but this is another level. Perfectly captured the ‘face’. Hope you are very pleased. BTW station has a nice Sligo look about it  

Hi Galteemore,

Very happy with her, Killian has truly outdone himself with a wonderful 3d print. I am delaying having to paint the cab and all it's many dials and gauges!

Killian is selling the 3d 800 loco and tender body for a very reasonable price

The station is an idea for a more central Dublin terminus for the MGWR somewhere around Abbey Street, and the roof is based off Waterloo. This will be part of a larger layout with Mullingar.

 

[Colin R]

That looks really nice do we know if it would run on 21 mm gauge?

[Killian Keane]

Utterly humbling to see what people are able to do with the prints I supply

Colin - there should be enough room between the inside faces of the splashers to build to 21mm, but I imagine people building to that standard would prefer the SSM kit

[GSR 800]

2 hours ago, Colin R said:

That looks really nice do we know if it would run on 21 mm gauge?

 

7 minutes ago, Killian Keane said:

Utterly humbling to see what people are able to do with the prints I supply

Colin - there should be enough room between the inside faces of the splashers to build to 21mm, but I imagine people building to that standard would prefer the SSM kit

Agreed, with the amount of work you'd have to do to the hornby chassis you may as well go for the full kit at that point.

 

[Colin R]

Hi Killian

It would be very hard not to use the SSM kit, but I would suggest that as the model railway world moves on to 3D printing, it just goes to show what is possible.

I have seen some really fantastic  composite kits which have brass detail overlays and white metal / lost wax fittings on a 3D print body. I think it was the late Roy Link who tested the waters with that concept. Also we should not forget that at the time 3D printing was not that good compared today as better ployimers etc become available better details can be added.

It then becomes the area of the skilled painter to do justice to the print.

Please continue to produce these loco shells they are increadible  

Colin

Edited November 8 by Colin R

[GSR 800]

5 hours ago, Colin R said:

Hi Killian

It would be very hard not to use the SSM kit, but I would suggest that as the model railway world moves on to 3D printing, it just goes to show what is possible.

I have seen some really fantastic  composite kits which have brass detail overlays and white metal / lost wax fittings on a 3D print body. I think it was the late Roy Link who tested the waters with that concept. Also we should not forget that at the time 3D printing was not that good compared today as better ployimers etc become available better details can be added.

It then becomes the area of the skilled painter to do justice to the print.

Please continue to produce these loco shells they are increadible  

Colin

Hi Colin,

I agree thoroughly, the 3d printing space opens up a world of opportunity. I have added separately fitted handrails, smokebox wheel spindle, safety valves, sprung buffers, and a brass coupling hook along with various other bits and bobs to the 3d printed body. I think brass fittings give any model a nice 'pop'

It has advanced rapidly indeed

 

[GSR 800]

800 is almost complete. Window frames, name and numberplate added along with the long process of lining. Whistle, Tender chassis and cab interior remain to be finished. Gloss varnish worked nicely to clear the 3d printed window frames. She runs quite nicely on the 6x4 test track, clearing its tight curves with ease.

The green paint is from vinny byrnes, RBS381 Mid Brunswick green in gloss. Took a while to find the right match but I think this is pretty much bang on to my eye.

Edited November 16 by GSR 800

[Galteemore]

Simply beautiful. The 3d work underlying it is very impressive, but you have made all that detail come alive through such diligent finishing work. Stunning loco.

[murphaph]

Fabulous end result! 

[jhb171achill]

On 16/11/2024 at 7:27 AM, GSR 800 said:

800 is almost complete. Window frames, name and numberplate added along with the long process of lining. Whistle, Tender chassis and cab interior remain to be finished. Gloss varnish worked nicely to clear the 3d printed window frames. She runs quite nicely on the 6x4 test track, clearing its tight curves with ease.

The green paint is from vinny byrnes, RBS381 Mid Brunswick green in gloss. Took a while to find the right match but I think this is pretty much bang on to my eye.

That is absolutely magnificent. The finish and lining are exquisite. Fantastic job!

[Westcorkrailway]

On 16/11/2024 at 7:27 AM, GSR 800 said:

800 is almost complete. Window frames, name and numberplate added along with the long process of lining. Whistle, Tender chassis and cab interior remain to be finished. Gloss varnish worked nicely to clear the 3d printed window frames. She runs quite nicely on the 6x4 test track, clearing its tight curves with ease.

The green paint is from vinny byrnes, RBS381 Mid Brunswick green in gloss. Took a while to find the right match but I think this is pretty much bang on to my eye.

Where is this loco stored….asking for a freind

[RicardoD957]

I have 3 questions.

1. Is this available now? If not when?

2. Do you ship to the UK?

3. Do you accept pound sterling?

Awesome work Killian.

[GSR 800]

4 hours ago, RicardoD957 said:

I have 3 questions.

1. Is this available now? If not when?

2. Do you ship to the UK?

3. Do you accept pound sterling?

Awesome work Killian.

AFAIK yes to all

[Horsetan]

On 8/11/2024 at 5:05 PM, Killian Keane said:

.... there should be enough room between the inside faces of the splashers to build to 21mm, but I imagine people building to that standard would prefer the SSM kit

I've no complaints about the general design of the kit, and although slightly unconventional in parts (the bogie assembly, for example), it seems to allow you to modify to a degree.

[Killian Keane]

7 hours ago, RicardoD957 said:

I have 3 questions.

1. Is this available now? If not when?

2. Do you ship to the UK?

3. Do you accept pound sterling?

Awesome work Killian.

yes on all counts, and thank you very much

[Rob R]

May I add a 4th question?

How is the WLWR goods coming along? (Asking for a friend)

 

[Killian Keane]

Hi Rob,

its making slow and steady progress in the background, my main priority at the moment is finishing up some payed jobs before the end of the year, but providing theyre done in the next 3 weeks or so, I hope to make significant progress on the WLWR loco over Christmas week

Latest progress is sandbox fillers, running board steps and the start of smokebox mounted lubricators

P.S Ive also been chatting with J Mo about doing the ugly rebuilt versions, which I imagine will be more in keeping with most peoples modelling periods, if lacking the elegance of the 1890s/1900s version

 

Edited December 2 by Killian Keane

[Rob R]

Thanks for the update.

[RicardoD957]

Thank you Killian, I will be in contact with you soon. 

2 hours ago, Killian Keane said:

yes on all counts, and thank you very much

 

[Killian Keane]

234 at Mullingar, shot by Casserley, 7th June 1932, sporting distinctly Midland style smokebox chimney and buffers, I understand this was one of the last 2 of the class built which became redundant before delivery due to the GSWR takeover of the WLW (plenty of J15s to go around after all!), with subsequent sale to the Midland

Edited December 2 by Killian Keane

[Mayner]

The WLWR 0-6-0s were a mixed bunch a number built with roundtopped fireboxes like Killian's 3D model but last 3 built with Belpair fireboxes including No 2 Shannon (GSW 222) & the two locos sold to the Midland 141 GS 233 (no allocated but not carried) 142 GS 234. The GSWR/GSR is said to have reboilered all the WLWR tender locos (4-4-0, 2-4-0 & 0-6-0s with the same design of roundtopped firebox.

Richard Chown built a 7mm model of Shannon in its original condition during the mid 70s which was acquired by David Holman and overhauled after Richard's passing.

[Railway Lyons]

On 2/12/2024 at 5:32 PM, Killian Keane said:

yes on all counts, and thank you very much

Been catching up on this thread with interest. 

Well done on your efforts, amazing work. 

Will reach out to you in the very near future. 

[Killian Keane]

Ive had more than one enquiry whether the 800 will fit the Airfix tender drive Royal Scot, it occurred to me this is an awful lot more accessible to most people than the hornby version, so Ive secured one from UK Ebay for the princely sum of £23 and will be making a version to fit

[leslie10646]

16 hours ago, Killian Keane said:

Ive had more than one enquiry whether the 800 will fit the Airfix tender drive Royal Scot, it occurred to me this is an awful lot more accessible to most people than the hornby version, so Ive secured one from UK Ebay for the princely sum of £23 and will be making a version to fit

Obviously good news, but will it pull a scale "Day Mail"?

Great work.

[jhb171achill]

On 12/12/2024 at 2:58 PM, leslie10646 said:

Obviously good news, but will it pull a scale "Day Mail"?

Great work.

Senior spoke of seeing gigantic and heavily laden Cork mail trains leaving Kingsbridge in the 1930s. I wish I’d paid more attention to his descriptions of the loads, types of coaches and vans, and locos. Obviously 400s were prominent….

[leslie10646]

Photos of the Day Mail usually show a very heterogeneous collection of vehicles with roof and side elevations constantly changing. Obviously a TPO, net 'n all; probably a full brake and a complement of varying coaches, vans etc.

Must try and find a photie!

Just popped in to let the dog out (his owner is in St Lucia enjoying his 50th), while I'm replete with a great Christmas Dinner cooked by his "Little Brother"!

Dare I say it here? I thought that The King was on good form, quoting Mrs Alexander (Once in Royal David's City). @Galteemore will tell you, even if you don't know - she was the wife of the Dean of ARMAGH (Centre of the Known Universe).

Happy Christmas and Peace to Men of Goodwill.

 

[Galteemore]

24 minutes ago, leslie10646 said:

Photos of the Day Mail usually show a very heterogeneous collection of vehicles with roof and side elevations constantly changing. Obviously a TPO, net 'n all; probably a full brake and a complement of varying coaches, vans etc.

Must try and find a photie!

Just popped in to let the dog out (his owner is in St Lucia enjoying his 50th), while I'm replete with a great Christmas Dinner cooked by his "Little Brother"!

Dare I say it here? I thought that The King was on good form, quoting Mrs Alexander (Once in Royal David's City). @Galteemore will tell you, even if you don't know - she was the wife of the Dean of ARMAGH (Centre of the Known Universe).

Happy Christmas and Peace to Men of Goodwill.

 

Great stuff Leslie. To be pedantic Rev Alexander was Dean of Derry and then Archbishop of Armagh  

[jhb171achill]

2 minutes ago, Galteemore said:

Great stuff Leslie. To be pedantic Rev Alexander was Dean of Derry and then Archbishop of Armagh  

Sure he wasn’t the Londondean of Derry?

[leslie10646]

5 hours ago, Galteemore said:

Great stuff Leslie. To be pedantic Rev Alexander was Dean of Derry and then Archbishop of Armagh  

So Mr Alexander was The Primate?

It turns out that we Armachians can't lay claim to Cecil Frances, as she died before her husband was elevated to Armagh - so all claim to her belongs to Derry!

Nonetheless , through Mrs Alexander, we ULSTER folk do well in church at the two great festivals - invariably the first hymn at the Ceremony of Nine Lessons and Carols is Once in Royal David's City; while There is a Green Hill is always sung at Easter.

Mr Alexander's wife was a talented lady?

[leslie10646]

I was musing earlier in this thread about the consist of the Day Mail. Haven't found on yet, but these two Lance King shots give you an idea of the varied stock on the Cork mainline in the 1950s!

801 at LMJ            IRRS

402 at Mallow             IRRS