New freight wagons to come.

[Broithe]

https://www.irishrail.ie/en-ie/news/freight-wagon-contract?

[spudfan]

Yeah, just saw that. The ratio of wagon weight to payload does seem high compared to some of the U.K. stock. Over all figure keeps the axle load below 22 tonnes. Some of the pocket container wagons do not seem that old so I presume they will be excluded. Wonder what the wagon types will be.

[Mol_PMB]

I believe that most will be bogie flats, suitable for containers, with optional ISO-compatible swapbodies to suit other traffics - such as the existing spoil wagon variants.

Not a new concept in Ireland! Great flexibility for different uses, but not always the optimal tare weight.

The future options may include the flexibility for other wagon types dedicated to certain traffics.

This info came from a former colleague and is from a few months ago, so it's possible that plans may have changed since then. Hopefully someone here can tell us more now that the contract has been formally announced.

[DJ Dangerous]

Fabulous news for rail transport in Ireland, and for fans of loco-hauled stock!

Basically, they can carry more weight, and do so a lot faster, and the lead time is pretty short.

Now, about loco power to haul them…

[ttc0169]

42 minutes ago, DJ Dangerous said:

Fabulous news for rail transport in Ireland, and for fans of loco-hauled stock!

Basically, they can carry more weight, and do so a lot faster, and the lead time is pretty short.

Now, about loco power to haul them…

Low floor container wagons I’m told-but yes DJ-no mention of any future motive power….which is badly needed at this stage. 

[DJ Dangerous]

5 minutes ago, ttc0169 said:

Low floor container wagons I’m told-but yes DJ-no mention of any future motive power….which is badly needed at this stage. 

071’s are what, fifty years old? 201’s thirty years old. That’s impressive, but their time is probably running out.

Think there’s a Spanish (go sunny Spain, Hell yeah!!!) company offering off-the-shelf-ish locos, so no need to buy from the US any more.

[DJ Dangerous]

Stadler is who I was thinking of:

On 29/8/2024 at 1:22 PM, spudfan said:

NEW ZEALAND: Stadler has shipped the first two of the Class DM main line diesel locomotives that its Valencia factory in Spain is building for KiwiRai/. Look at the different track gauges beneath the loco.

 

[Mol_PMB]

Stadler is a Swiss company that has grown from modest origins 30-odd years ago into a major player in the European rolling stock market. 
They have acquired various other failing manufacturers including factories in Spain such as the loco plant in Valencia. 
Their products are highly regarded and they often produce very small batches fir niche applications. They’re not cheap though! 

[ttc0169]

8 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Stadler is a Swiss company that has grown from modest origins 30-odd years ago into a major player in the European rolling stock market. 
They have acquired various other failing manufacturers including factories in Spain such as the loco plant in Valencia. 
Their products are highly regarded and they often produce very small batches fir niche applications. They’re not cheap though! 

10-15 high powered locomotives would be required for Irish operations,

The 071s will be withdrawn in 3-5 years so unless IE do a class 69 job on the 201s-there won’t be any other options in the short term. 

[Bob229]

Some good news for freight operations with the new wagons higher payload and speed will help keep and hopefully win more freight traffic.

IE CEO J Meade at a recent IRRS presentation said next Loco will be Battery Diesel hybrid but no plans had been made 

[Branchline121]

The most likely contenders for the new Irish Rail locomotive fleet are probably:

1. Siemens Vectron

2. Stadler Euro Dual (related to the NZ DMs, I think)

3. Alstom Traxx

All 3 can be ordered with batteries, or with diesel engines. They’d likely also need to be equipped with support for both AC and DC electrification, as I’d imagine future Intercity electrification would be 25 kV AC as opposed to the 1.5 kV DC in use on the DART (including DART+ in the future). Personally I’d be most in favour of the Vectrons, as I think they look cool and have performed well on the continent, but I wouldn’t be against the other 2 either.

[DJ Dangerous]

1 hour ago, ttc0169 said:

10-15 high powered locomotives would be required for Irish operations,

The 071s will be withdrawn in 3-5 years so unless IE do a class 69 job on the 201s-there won’t be any other options in the short term. 

The 301’s, I like the ring of that!

[Mayner]

 

Kiwirail ordered 66 DMs from Standler with a follow up order for 24 Battery Electric locos for shunting services.

https://www.kiwirail.co.nz/media/kiwirail-partners-with-stadler-for-new-low-emissions-locomotives/

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[hurricanemk1c]

18 hours ago, spudfan said:

Yeah, just saw that. The ratio of wagon weight to payload does seem high compared to some of the U.K. stock. Over all figure keeps the axle load below 22 tonnes. Some of the pocket container wagons do not seem that old so I presume they will be excluded. Wonder what the wagon types will be.

Not really. A TEA tank is 24 tonnes empty 102 tonnes laded. 

[MOGUL]

18 hours ago, DJ Dangerous said:

The 301’s, I like the ring of that!

241s surely? 

[DJ Dangerous]

4 minutes ago, MOGUL said:

241s surely? 

Sounds like a special offer at Tesco!

[Mol_PMB]

4 minutes ago, MOGUL said:

241s surely? 

701s? That series was always a gap. H class? 

[DJ Dangerous]

Just now, Mol_PMB said:

701s? That series was always a gap. H class? 

I’m sticking with the 371 Class for the 69ified 071’s and the 301 Class for the tuned 201’s.