CIE 1950s train

[Westcorkrailway]

 So a few photos of unlined CIE green used on what I would describe as “surplus” stock in the cork area used for courtmacsherry excursions primarily 

 

3rd coach back has no lining (what a beautiful train this was by the way)

All 3 coaches here seem to have gotten the “quick” green paintjob

first C class to Courtmacshwrry hauler some of these coaches 

an unusual coach in the formation (at least one or two like this) had numbers and snails but no lining! 
 

The following are screenshots from a video I have of a courtmacsherry steam special double header showing these unpainted and weathered coaches 

 

finally - a photo from the back of a recent IRRS journal. And while I know it’s a bit shameless to show photos from the journal here - it is the back cover so it’s not twinned with any reading material 

 

if I was to guess. These coaches probobly got painted in rocksavage paint shops in what would have been a “quick fix” that was never rectified for the sake of time and cost. These coaches were quite well clapped out! 

 

Edited July 21 by Westcorkrailway

[Mol_PMB]

Interesting - thanks for sharing some photos of the budget paint job - ideal for the modeller without a lining pen! They all appear to be dark green, and (where class designations are carried) third class rather than second class.

In C.Creedon's book on the CBSCR (volume 3) there are several references to carriages being sent to Rocksavage for painting in the mid-1950s, including two of those converted into driving trailers for the AEC railcars. I thought that was interesting because I've not seen a photo of a driving trailer in use on the CBSCR, maybe they just visited for the paint job? In which case, I wonder if Rocksavage managed to match the standards of Inchicore! I'm sure I found some photos of these driving trailers converted from CIE-built brake standards somewhere, but I seem to have mislaid my reference. Will have to look again...

 

 

[Westcorkrailway]

Chris Larkin Collection photo of Rocksavage works which more or less exclusively dealt in painting and light repairs post 1925. Interestingly as that Colm creedon points out in his book. The workshop was used post West Cork Closure for a while painting secondary stock into the new Black and Tan.  And yes, it would have been more then just west cork stock using the paint shops though I imagine it was stuff that didn’t get much an excuse to go to Dublin! 

48 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

including two of those converted into driving trailers for the AEC railcars. I thought that was interesting because I've not seen a photo of a driving trailer in use on the CBSCR

by driving trailers which do you mean? The bullied wedgehead ones? 

 

Edited July 21 by Westcorkrailway

[Mol_PMB]

Just now, Westcorkrailway said:

by driving trailers which do you mean? The bullied wedgehead ones? 

 

No, they were powered. As far as I am aware there were two types of driving trailer converted for use with the AEC railcars - at least one Park Royal on the W&T section, and two of the early 1950s CIE-built brake standards. Good photos of both types exist.

[Westcorkrailway]

1 minute ago, Mol_PMB said:

No, they were powered. As far as I am aware there were two types of driving trailer converted for use with the AEC railcars - at least one Park Royal on the W&T section, and two of the early 1950s CIE-built brake standards. Good photos of both types exist.

Ah those ones….they may have been tried on the West Cork line to be fair. Though I certainly don’t remember that being recorded by anyone 

[Mol_PMB]

6 minutes ago, Westcorkrailway said:

Ah those ones….they may have been tried on the West Cork line to be fair. Though I certainly don’t remember that being recorded by anyone 

I can't find the good photo now (I'm at work) but this is one of the brake standard conversions, note the headlight on the end:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54252109222/

 

 

 

[Mol_PMB]

Continuing the topic of 1950s liveries, I stumbled across this post which is worth a read:

This re-opens the prospect of multiple shades of green (not just light and dark) as well as describing different lining styles. 

I've been doing some more research on this myself recently based on photographs, and it might be interesting to try and cross-reference the statements in the above linked post with what appears in photos. 

However, I'm minded to wait until the old IRRS journals become available online, so that I can check back to the original news items and studies.

Most photos from the early and mid 1950s are monochrome, though colour becomes more common in the late 1950s.

[GSR 800]

2 hours ago, Mol_PMB said:

Continuing the topic of 1950s liveries, I stumbled across this post which is worth a read:

This re-opens the prospect of multiple shades of green (not just light and dark) as well as describing different lining styles. 

I've been doing some more research on this myself recently based on photographs, and it might be interesting to try and cross-reference the statements in the above linked post with what appears in photos. 

However, I'm minded to wait until the old IRRS journals become available online, so that I can check back to the original news items and studies.

Most photos from the early and mid 1950s are monochrome, though colour becomes more common in the late 1950s.

It would certainly explain pretty newly painted coaches of similar looking various shades against each other in the early 1950s, and the various shades often seen.

Harty has had a shocking time of it all, Bredin getting all the spotlight!

 

[Mol_PMB]

Quoting selectively from BSGSV's post linked above:

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Mr. Kennedy then goes on: "During 1953 and 1954 various other liveries, all shades of mid green, were tested on many vehicles, but all were unsuccessful". Sadly, the shades and vehicles are not mentioned, but those concerned would have been Buffets 2405-18 of 1953/4, Compo's 2137-61 of 1954 and 3rd's 1372-8 of 1954.

I'm just looking at a photo in IRRS Journal No. 184 (June 2014) page 66. It is dated 5th September 1954, and shows a '6+2' AEC railcar formation, with the trailers comprising two corridor thirds (1351-55 series), a GSR corridor third (1300 series) and a CIE buffet car (2405-18 series). 

The buffet is clearly a much lighter colour than the rest of the train.

I think this photo pre-dates the accepted introduction of the 'standard' bright green and supports the statement quoted above.

However, I'm not sure I entirely agree with all Mr. Kennedy's other statements. Shades of green are a minefield.

I tend to agree with JHB and Mr. Kennedy that there was a standard dark green in the 1945-1952 period, and a standard bright green in the 1958-1961 period. But the mid-1950s period seems more complex. So your 1950s train could realistically feature a range of green shades.