BosKonay Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Not a big update, got the foam for the shed glued down, tried shunting the MIR bogie cements ---- oh dear gods!! Anyone recommend replacement bogies / wheels for these so they can actually function as an item of stock rather than scenery Quote
Guest hidden-agenda Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Are the screws too tight holding the bogie,s in place and preventing free movement also place each wagon on its wheels on a piece of glass (mirror will do) and see if you can pass a piece of paper under any wheel as the bogie,s might be out of true causing some wheels to be up slightly off the rail.I hope this helps. By the way the lay out looks well. Regards Gareth. Quote
BosKonay Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Cheers Gareth, I've been running through each wagon one at a time, but I reckon it's the bogies and MIR plastic wheel sets to blame in general. Not sure there is an easy fix. Am wondering if I replace the bogies with nice modern bachmann versions with metal wheels, then glue the MIR bogie sides over them... Quote
ttc0169 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Having the same problem with one of my bogie cement wagons-so I've replaced the wheels with Bachmann ones and I've had no problems since,so maybe try that first, Your layout is coming along nicely-that loco shed is the best and most realistic model loco shed I've ever seen-absolutely stunning,well done. Quote
BosKonay Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Might be the best option allright... I've got a spares box of bachmann metal wheels somewhere, will give that a lash. At the moment I just can't see (other than the give maybe in the plastic wheel) what's de-railing them All credit for the shed to Glenderg - he takes commissions too Quote
RedRich Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Stephen do you have a back to back gauge. It could also be that the wheels are out of gauge on the axle. I was always of the opinion that MIR used metal wheelsets, all of the kits I have ever built have had metal wheelsets provided, a lot of them are incorrectly provided with 3 hole disc wheelsets and I used to always swap them for Alan Gibson disc wheelsets. A back to back gauge is an essential part of any modellers tool box and it is well worth investing in one. The wagons look to be weathered check and see if there is any paint on the wheel threads. A bit of oil in the bearings always make for a smoother running bogie too. Failing all that Stephen go with the other advice and by some Bachmann disc wheelsets of the correct radius and you should be alright. Rich, Quote
BosKonay Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Cheers Rich, Will spend a bit more time with them tomorrow - all plastic wheels allright, which I found odd! All my other MIR stuff has metal, perhaps it's an oddity of the bogie cements - they have an odd axle arrangement, will snap a photo in a bit. Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted June 18, 2012 Posted June 18, 2012 Stephen if you don't get it sorted leave them till I'm down with you in a week or two. BTW the MIR wheels are plastic with a steel tyre did you build them yourself or get them built for you Quote
BosKonay Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Had a very close look - I reckon the combination of the plastic wheels, the bogies and my finescale track are the issue Will look at swapping out the bogies I reckon Quote
RedRich Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Had a very close look - I reckon the combination of the plastic wheels, the bogies and my finescale track are the issue Will look at swapping out the bogies I reckon Stephen check the flange thickness on the wheels. If you are using code 75 track it could well be that the wheels are fouling the chairs on the track. If that is the case you should invest in some RP25 wheelsets. Another way to guarantee better running over the lifetime of the wagons would be to use a sub frame and attach the sideframes to it cosmetically. There is obviously something awry with the build of the bogies if it is not the wheels themselves as the track looks to have been laid flawlessly. Rich, Quote
BosKonay Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 They are ok on the straights Rich, it's just on points they've a problem I'm hoping to get time tomorrow to swap out the wheels for new metals ones and try that first Quote
RedRich Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 They are ok on the straights Rich, it's just on points they've a problem I'm hoping to get time tomorrow to swap out the wheels for new metals ones and try that first Stephen if they are giving problems on points then I would say that there is a problem with the back to back settings on the wheels. Rich, Quote
Flying Scotsman 4472 Posted June 19, 2012 Posted June 19, 2012 Stephen if they are giving problems on points then I would say that there is a problem with the back to back settings on the wheels. Rich, I have to agree with you there Rich. Stephen get yourself one of these before you do anything else http://www.nairnshire-modelling-supplies.co.uk/oo-back-to-back-gauge-p-1479.html all my MIR models I have no problem with their running they run as good as RTR Quote
BosKonay Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 hehe, sorted the bogie wagons Having sat calmly with a cuppa this morning and watched them very closely going slow over the throat - it was the bloody couplers! The hanging bar was catching on the frogs / guard rails on the points. A little surgery and they are grand I plan to use kadees entirely in time, so that will help further even All's well that ends well Managed to also physically fit another 12 cobalt motors today and cut the shed track to size... maybe tomorrow I'll get the shed area wired and glues and start on the motor bus! Quote
RedRich Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 hehe, sorted the bogie wagons Having sat calmly with a cuppa this morning and watched them very closely going slow over the throat - it was the bloody couplers! The hanging bar was catching on the frogs / guard rails on the points. A little surgery and they are grand I plan to use kadees entirely in time, so that will help further even All's well that ends well Managed to also physically fit another 12 cobalt motors today and cut the shed track to size... maybe tomorrow I'll get the shed area wired and glues and start on the motor bus! Delighted you sorted the problem Stephen. How many great inventions and plans first saw the light of day over a cup of Rosie. The Cobalts are my preferred option for operating points and signals when I get building on the layout. I downloaded the manual and had a good read (90 + pages) and they really are amazing. Rich, Quote
BosKonay Posted June 20, 2012 Posted June 20, 2012 Cheers Rich! They are great motors - do a stunning job and sort the frogs perfectly, and i've still got lots of options to plug in signals to them Quote
BosKonay Posted June 21, 2012 Posted June 21, 2012 Well, shed track will have to wait for tomorrow now Ended up finishing the bracing and adding extra sets of legs to the terminus. Is all beautifully level and rock solid now. It was irritating me before that some stock would roll so now I can drop any item onto any part of the track and it wont roll away I also used up 50 cable ties and tie anchors tidying the cable (yes, I am OTT and OCD ) Quote
Weshty Posted June 21, 2012 Posted June 21, 2012 Well, shed track will have to wait for tomorrow now Ended up finishing the bracing and adding extra sets of legs to the terminus. Is all beautifully level and rock solid now. It was irritating me before that some stock would roll so now I can drop any item onto any part of the track and it wont roll away I also used up 50 cable ties and tie anchors tidying the cable (yes, I am OTT and OCD ) Well, let's face it, to get into modelling, one has to be a bit...precise. To do 21mm gauge, definitely approaching OCD. To try making masters and models from scratch....'nuff said. Arrrgh! ;-) Quote
RedRich Posted June 21, 2012 Posted June 21, 2012 Well, let's face it, to get into modelling, one has to be a bit...precise. To do 21mm gauge, definitely approaching OCD. To try making masters and models from scratch....'nuff said. Arrrgh! ;-) The obsessive part comes into play when the track just doesn't look right, and you keep trying until you think it is. Then you decide to model the point rodding pulley's and stools for the rodding. You know what I mean Des, because you won't leave the lathe until the master is 100% right, or the cad for that matter. Rich, Quote
BosKonay Posted June 21, 2012 Posted June 21, 2012 Oh yes, not a hobby, an obsession / illness / problem depending on your perspective But still fantastic fun No one will ever see the 'underboard' but I'd know if the cables were messy Quote
BosKonay Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 With the kids off school and the 'nice' weather, have had precious little time in the attic the last few weeks After a visit from Dartstation last week, I'm also playing with a redesign of the main loop, by taking the mainline through the partition walls either side of the stairs / access. This would allow me to keep the main loop on the level more or less, and use inclines for a fiddle yard under the terminus board...... so somewhat back to the drawing board as I much around with the options now :) More updates soon!! Quote
Dave Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 Looking good Stephen:tumbsup: I've been watching this with great interest. Well done, a lot of work done in a short time frame. Quote
Weshty Posted July 1, 2012 Posted July 1, 2012 Oh yes, not a hobby, an obsession / illness / problem depending on your perspective But still fantastic fun No one will ever see the 'underboard' but I'd know if the cables were messy Boskonay, that was Steve Job's perspective too. When he designed the Apple Mac, he wanted the motherboards laid out with an elegant symetry even though nobody would see them. Quote
BosKonay Posted July 2, 2012 Posted July 2, 2012 Cheers lads, am gone slightly back to the drawing board with the other boards at the moment, while I figure if I can cut through the wall while preserving headroom (enough) and to not be in breach of planning Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Not much of an update, but the Autoballasters got a spin out and 187 started earning her keep as Station Pilot Quote
Glenderg Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Comin along nicely Stephen. How long is the rake of autoballasters? Richie. Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 At the moment, 4 units, I'd plan to get a pair of double packs of the non-genny ones when they come out (hopefully!) Am uploading a few vids to youtube atm Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Here 229 Pulls them into a siding [video=youtube;KAWk4-OSBCk] Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Testing out the throat with the Fuel Oil Train (and 229 again) Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 I promise to invest in a tripod before I get scenics done! Quote
RedRich Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Excellent work Stephen as usual. Now I'm off to watch Enter the Dragon. Rich, Quote
BosKonay Posted July 4, 2012 Posted July 4, 2012 Cheers Rich, I was being a bit lazy playing trains instead of laying the shed sidings like I intended when I went upstairs :) Quote
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