Junctionmad Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 anyone have a recommendation for which one to go for ?. Im going ti build it from a kit in either case Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Difficult choice, I reckon. Worsley Works has crisper finish because it's etched, but you get no castings, according to the website, or any help with the rounded top of the nose. However, this build article says that castings are supplied. Silver Fox gives you a one-piece shell and details, but may not be quite as crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Hi Junctionmad Have to go with Horse, Worsley Works is the one if you can do brass, aside from no castings (not many needed), they do give you options on the etch for the windows... Eoin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 From what i remember the Worley one comes with castings for the axleboxes/springs.The rounded nose is no problem i just used about four thicknesses of plasticard laminated together,the trick is to use alternate black and whits plastic which makes it easier to see how the compound curve is shapeing up(works well on railcar roofs as well).Its a good kit and pretty easy to do.Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 From what i remember the Worley one comes with castings for the axleboxes/springs.The rounded nose is no problem i just used about four thicknesses of plasticard laminated together,the trick is to use alternate black and whits plastic which makes it easier to see how the compound curve is shapeing up(works well on railcar roofs as well).Its a good kit and pretty easy to do.Andy. I think the DC Kits G Class may be a better option than the Worsley Works or Silver Fox models. The master for the DC Kits loco were prepared by Mike Edge and has a higher level of detail and a better motor bogie than the Silver Fox model. Although more expensive the Black Beetle with a 27:1 gear ratio would be a much better option for a shunting loco than a Spud or standard 15:1 Blackbeetle http://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/shop/kits_modelling/irish_railways_inc_murphy_models_rtr_kits_transfers/cie_irish_rail_class_g_shunter.php I built a model of G Class using the Worsley Works parts several years ago. I had to carry out quite major modifications to the cab due to a design error in the kit. Basically the position of the cab doors and windows were transposed on the one piece cab fret and it was necessary to cut out the cab sides with a piercing saw then swap them around after 1st assembling the cab. Worsley Works appear to have modified the artwork in response to the problem. The witness marks to the cuts are visible on the photo of Mike Edge’s Worsley G but not on Patrick Quinns loco. http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/Image-Pages/Image_4mm_Deutz.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I think the DC Kits G Class may be a better option than the Worsley Works or Silver Fox models. The master for the DC Kits loco were prepared by Mike Edge and has a higher level of detail and a better motor bogie than the Silver Fox model. Although more expensive the Black Beetle with a 27:1 gear ratio would be a much better option for a shunting loco than a Spud or standard 15:1 Blackbeetlehttp://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/shop/kits_modelling/irish_railways_inc_murphy_models_rtr_kits_transfers/cie_irish_rail_class_g_shunter.php .... What people may not know is that DC Kits can be a bit erratic these days when it comes to delivery or even simple customer service, as is evident from this thread. If they have no time to pick up the phone, how can you be sure you'll get your order? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Thanks folks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 What people may not know is that DC Kits can be a bit erratic these days when it comes to delivery or even simple customer service, as is evident from this thread. If they have no time to pick up the phone, how can you be sure you'll get your order? Interesting - I found DC Kits very responsive to my recent service requests last month. Same day replies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Interesting - I found DC Kits very responsive to my recent service requests last month. Same day replies. Maybe you were lucky. Others were not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Have to agree with Horse here, (as I generally do), Worsley all day long. SF tends for quantity, not quality alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenderg Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Have to agree with Horse here, (as I generally do), Worsley all day long. SF tends for quantity, not quality alas. Few photos of the prototype to assist. (My missus is from that neck of the woods, just in case anyone's getting stray ideas....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Wow, the corrosion really has got into that cab door..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aclass007 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Have to agree with Horse here, (as I generally do), Worsley all day long. SF tends for quantity, not quality alas. Few photos of the prototype to assist. (My missus is from that neck of the woods, just in case anyone's getting stray ideas....) No one is buying that... But I was hoping it was the A you went to photograph when I heard you were there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garfield Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) No one is buying that... But I was hoping it was the A you went to photograph when I heard you were there... Richie's crossed-off Downpatrick; the hunt for the Turfburner continues. Edited November 4, 2016 by Garfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted November 4, 2016 Author Share Posted November 4, 2016 Thanks Richie , fab photos. I was wondering about those holes in the frame, so they really show that feature well Ps. If anyone has being following the threads on rmweb and elsewhere on the little 030 mitsumi motors. I just received 10 from China and they are a very sweet little motor for about a 1€ each !! ( sone guy in the uk is trying to get £7 each for them ! ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Thanks Richie , fab photos. I was wondering about those holes in the frame, so they really show that feature well Ps. If anyone has being following the threads on rmweb and elsewhere on the little 030 mitsumi motors. I just received 10 from China and they are a very sweet little motor for about a 1€ each !! ( sone guy in the uk is trying to get £7 each for them ! ) What are they useful for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 What are they useful for? Possible replacement for faulty Heljan motors, for example. Or cheap alternative to Mashima for kits. Some Mitsumis come with a worm (pitch unknown), so that will need to be extracted if you're using your own preferred geartrain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted November 5, 2016 Author Share Posted November 5, 2016 Worsley has confirmed the kit is just the etch. So I'll have to make or source axle boxes etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 Worsley has confirmed the kit is just the etch. So I'll have to make or source axle boxes etc Interesting. The build article seemed to think it came with castings.....in which case, where did the builder get them from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 7, 2016 Share Posted November 7, 2016 (edited) 1 piece frames and horizontal frame spacers The Worsley Works set of parts is supplied with a simple fold up chassis and pair of nylon gears. The chassis is designed for 21mm gauge & one of the vertical frame spacers appears to be designed as a motor mount. I originally motorised the loco using a Black Beetle motor bogie, which I have since 'borrowed" to motorise a SSM Wickham trolley. Whenever I get round to it I will look at the option of fitting a layshaft and 2:1 spur gearing to the Worsley Works chassis, or simply order a 21mm gauge 28:1 Black Beetle from Steam Era Models. Its simple enough to build a G611 using the Worsley Works parts, steps, marker lights, possibly exhaust housing and other detail parts can be assembled from brass strip of tube. I started to build a G601 out of plasticard but never got round to forming the engine access panels, this loco was powered by a Tenshodo Spud totally unsuitable for a small shunting loco. There I still quite a bit of work to complete G617 to an acceptable standard, better to make a fresh start on G601 Edited November 7, 2016 by Mayner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 8, 2016 Share Posted November 8, 2016 The G617 is a lovely little job. It might be worth checking if the roof profile of the g601 is correct - from the photos it looks a little flat? Its front grille is a bit small too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayner Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The G617 is a lovely little job. It might be worth checking if the roof profile of the g601 is correct - from the photos it looks a little flat? Its front grille is a bit small too. The photos were intended to show the nature of the Worsley Works chassis and provide a comparison between the two batches of locos. The G601 was built in plasticard several years before the Worsley Works G Class came on the scene. If I ever get round to it I would use the Worsley Works engine housing, frames and Bufferbeams as a basis for a G601 with a new running board and cab, rather than try and improve the existing model. When it will ever be done is another question of a backlog of repairs and unfinished kits that will take years to complete, the call of large scale rtr is very strong by comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Got ya! Excellent comparison. I made a G out of cardboard in my teens - I gave it away eventually. It wasn't anything like as good as any scratch built one I've seen, as I had no plans to work off and only poor photos of a couple I saw in Inchicore. I misread your post, thinking the 601 was a kit of some sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted November 11, 2016 Author Share Posted November 11, 2016 Looking at the three kits , the DC kits one is growing n me , but since I've ordered the WW , oh well ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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