Irish Railwayana Auctions x2

[WaYSidE]

Meltdown for some of you:

feb 27th, 1st auction

Irish Railwayana https://www.purcellauctioneers.ie/catalogue/BA501BE682202D4D9EFC077548FA7C58/81B29AB6FA187A02A829C1899B734425/february-sale-to-include-a-collection-of-irish-railwayana-j/?action=1&searchCategory=B7551CF49F6B74466AC8733B133778C1

2nd auction

Specialist Auction of Irish Railwayana Literature & Ephemera, hundreds of items
13th Mar 2019 from 12pm

https://www.purcellauctioneers.ie/catalogue/BA501BE682202D4D9EFC077548FA7C58/81B29AB6FA187A02A829C1899B734425/february-sale-to-include-a-collection-of-irish-railwayana-j/

 just in-case this is not allowed here, you can move it to calendar. (as yet, i have no business or any other interest in this, although i may bid)

including thousands of rail tickets, scrap albums, photos, books, books on locos, travel brouchers,

many hand drawn station plans, Southern Ireland and republic

Northern Station Diagrams

Two Diagrams of Athy and Wolfhill Colliery Rail Lines, c.38 x 15in

Plans of the Several Lines of Railways in Ireland, Laid Out Under The Direction of the Commissioners 1837. Very Large oblong folio by Charles Vignoles & John MacNeill. The work is in two parts. Consisting of Part 1 Through the South and South Western Districts of Ireland by Charles Vignoles

a Vast and Extensive File Relating to the Dublin and Blessington Steam Tramway c.1930's, Dividend Warrants, Correspondence, Invoices etc. etc. - 7boxes,

Great Southern & Western Railway - Diagram of Gradients and Curves - oblong folio

Dublin United Tramway Company - Plans and Sections of Junctions and Extensions, 1889, large folio and includes 7 illustrated plans

on and on and on it goes......................

 

Edited February 24, 2019 by WaYSidE
added link

[Irishswissernie]

https://www.purcellauctioneers.ie/catalogue/8F94772A0A3BA77D096E6240F0A8640E/81B29AB6FA187A02A829C1899B734425/specialist-auction-of-irish-interest-books-with-dedicated-se/

 

Some interesting items there; I wonder whose collection this was.

Ernie

[Glenderg]

Some books (and some are very recent) appear in multiple auctions..?

[WaYSidE]

i wasnt sure if i could name the auction house, better you lot then newbe me, thanks

other auction

the correct link is at top of this page, seems i may have posted last years sales as well

Edited February 24, 2019 by WaYSidE
wrong link

[Glenderg]

@WaYSidE I think we'd all be grateful to hear of this auction, so there's no stress there. Just as long as you're not going to be at the top of the room with the gavel thing on the day, that might be totally dodgy..  

[WaYSidE]

 

 

28 minutes ago, Glenderg said:

@WaYSidE I think we'd all be grateful to hear of this auction, so there's no stress there. Just as long as you're not going to be at the top of the room with the gavel thing on the day, that might be totally dodgy..  

he he,  ha ha, thank you, such a nice bunch here, i even met dave, he knows who I am, not that i wanna tell the world.

no,,  i be the one looking at old rusty stuff, my passion is for old rust.. and the auctioneers daughter..

Edited February 24, 2019 by WaYSidE

[WaYSidE]

more meltdown,,,

https://www.purcellauctioneers.ie/catalogue/BA501BE682202D4D9EFC077548FA7C58/81B29AB6FA187A02A829C1899B734425/february-sale-to-include-a-collection-of-irish-railwayana-j/

 

Edited February 24, 2019 by WaYSidE
wrong pics

[jhb171achill]

That is a seriously impressive collection. I would be particularly interested in the files of material relating to the Dublin & Blessington Tramway Co.

I suspect it's more of the late Johnny O’Meara’s stuff. The timetable collections would also be of interest to me, though they’re very overpriced.

[WaYSidE]

 

fexxcvg google history, gave me wrong link, the top of page should be the correct link

[WaYSidE]

so sorry seems there are two auctions,

feck, i give up, on says  27th feb another 13th march

just search google.ie not google.com and railwayana in content from ireland in past month

you will find it

seems i hosted some of last railway pics as well as some of this years auction, so i removed them alll......sorry

 

[WaYSidE]

i have made entries on calendar of both auctions add photos on calender to first auction books and paper and maps on march 13th are ideal for modellers

1 hour ago, Irishswissernie said:

https://www.purcellauctioneers.ie/catalogue/8F94772A0A3BA77D096E6240F0A8640E/81B29AB6FA187A02A829C1899B734425/specialist-auction-of-irish-interest-books-with-dedicated-se/

 

Some interesting items there; I wonder whose collection this was.

Ernie

Ernie there are two auctions, the Feb 27 one has some metal items, the march 13th has mainly paper and maps, surprising there are no models of trains

[mphoey]

definatly johnny o mearas collection a lot of high pricing on some items

 

[minister_for_hardship]

Some misidentification of certain lots and crazy high ball estimates abound. Clean signal cabin diagrams at same estimates as dirty stained ones, some gems but a few lots of what could best be described as broken rusted junk.

Quite an amount of utter rubbish and replicas in the non railwayana section.

Edited February 27, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[Georgeconna]

These large tokens seem to Tarnish, rust easily enough, I have 2 from the Youghal line, Is it worth buffing them up a bit to make them a bit more presentable?

 

[jhb171achill]

Sadly, there just seems to be an undercurrent of great, and hopefully unsustainable and unachievable greed about all of this.

On behalf of both myself privately, and the RPSI in terms of donated items, I used to deal quite a lot in railway artefacts, and as a result of that I'd be still fairly familiar with what prices are likely to be realised by different types of things in different conditions.

For the sake of collectors, I sincerely hope that few of these prices are achieved - much of the stuff on sale might well be bid on by people who don't know the real value, and who might think they're worth what the auctioneer hopes for. If that is the case, if they ever go to re-sell them, they may get an unpleasant surprise....

[Noel]

50 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Sadly, there just seems to be an undercurrent of great, and hopefully unsustainable and unachievable greed about all of this.

On behalf of both myself privately, and the RPSI in terms of donated items, I used to deal quite a lot in railway artefacts, and as a result of that I'd be still fairly familiar with what prices are likely to be realised by different types of things in different conditions.

For the sake of collectors, I sincerely hope that few of these prices are achieved - much of the stuff on sale might well be bid on by people who don't know the real value, and who might think they're worth what the auctioneer hopes for. If that is the case, if they ever go to re-sell them, they may get an unpleasant surprise....

Indeed. I thought some of the prices paid for some items that were in poor condition was astonishing. Many staff tokens went for close to €300 which seems crazy but clearly there is a market for this stuff. One can’t help wondering how much of it ends up being dust collectors on tops of wardrobes never seeing the light of day, or worse ending up in skips with 10 years. A lot of junk at silly prices. I’d have liked one or two staffs but not for €300 each. 

[jhb171achill]

If ŷou look at the Sheffield or Gloucester railway auctions they will give a more realistic idea.

I just hate to think of people who are taken in, and due to lack of familiarity led to believe by this seller that things are worth more than they are.

[minister_for_hardship]

21 minutes ago, Noel said:

Indeed. I thought some of the prices paid for some items that were in poor condition was astonishing. Many staff tokens went for close to €300 which seems crazy but clearly there is a market for this stuff. One can’t help wondering how much of it ends up being dust collectors on tops of wardrobes never seeing the light of day, or worse ending up in skips with 10 years. A lot of junk at silly prices. I’d have liked one or two staffs but not for €300 each. 

It'll be interesting to see if stuff comes up for sale on Donedeal in the aftermath, as it did in the weeks and months after the first auction. Seems to be a bit of speculation going on, people not buying because they like it or have the faintest interest in it, rather buying to make a quick buck on a resale. I do hope such people will be disappointed in this regard.

[minister_for_hardship]

24 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

If ŷou look at the Sheffield or Gloucester railway auctions they will give a more realistic idea.

I just hate to think of people who are taken in, and due to lack of familiarity led to believe by this seller that things are worth more than they are.

Caveat Emptor as the sage once said.

It's up to the buyer to educate him or herself esp with the Del Boy and Rodney style auction houses.

Edited February 27, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[jhb171achill]

7 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Caveat Emptor as the sage once said.

It's up to the buyer to educate him or herself esp with the Del Boy and Rodney style auction houses.

exactly!!

[WaYSidE]

Free offer: you lot can decide who i give the rest too, any suggestions?

i paid 75 squid (90) with commission  for an early lot number with castlecomer badge, which i will promptly donate to the castlecomer coal mine exhibit at discovery park, in castlecomer,

As for the other pieces with it, theses i will gladly donate or swap to anybody of society who you feel deserves them.

= Seven Irish Railway Brass Staff Badges,

Castlecomer Junction to Castlecomer, (i am keeping to make brass etching then donating)

Milltown Malbay,  and Horse & Jockey, look so poor, maybe beyond hope, so i will keep them to add to my collection of rust

Dublin Bridge,  unless someone has a better idea i will donate to wrennnier dave on this site, for his collection, as he's been a gent who has been good to me and explained alot about collecting. thanks Dave.

you lot can decide who i give the rest too, any suggestions? if theres some one with the following named layouts, then they maybe can have them

Abbeydorney,

Enfield to Mullingar East

Castleblayney East.

come on, make suggestions and lets have some fun.

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[jhb171achill]

A very good gesture of yours, Wayside, to donate such items. A pity that others want big money and then just hoard away...

For what my opinion is worth, I would place them where they're most likely to be seen and enjoyed by those most interested. That would mean for anything GNR, Enniskillen railway museum (Headhunters), for anything BCDR or of general railway interest, Downpatrick, or for other or all stuff the Whitehead Railway Museum.

There are other railway museums about the place too, though I know of two that only open by appointment.

A local museum in a town that some particular arfetact is connected with would be another thing I did personally go for.

The label off the Milltown Malbay staff could go to the West Clare Railway for display at Moyasta.

[minister_for_hardship]

Fair play to you.

Abbeydorney is very elaborate for a staff, think it may be off a cash bag.

Hells Kitchen Castlerea is always good for a swap or donation.

Edited February 27, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[jhb171achill]

The Abbeydorney one is indeed off a cash bag.

[WaYSidE]

2 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

A very good gesture of yours, Wayside, to donate such items. A pity that others want big money and then just hoard away...

For what my opinion is worth, I would place them where they're most likely to be seen and enjoyed by those most interested. That would mean for anything GNR, Enniskillen railway museum (Headhunters), for anything BCDR or of general railway interest, Downpatrick, or for other or all stuff the Whitehead Railway Museum.

There are other railway museums about the place too, though I know of two that only open by appointment.

A local museum in a town that some particular arfetact is connected with would be another thing I did personally go for.

The label off the Milltown Malbay staff could go to the West Clare Railway for display at Moyasta.

JHB171achill, Thats the best idea so far, lets see what people recommend, but i have no problem with your suggestions,

[minister_for_hardship]

7 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

The Abbeydorney one is indeed off a cash bag.

Maybe the Lartigue people in Listowel, they have some North Kerry items.

[WaYSidE]

you lot can decide if it dont cause an argument

whats the comer piece ??? its no badge

[minister_for_hardship]

7 minutes ago, WaYSidE said:

you lot can decide if it dont cause an argument

whats the comer piece ??? its no badge

Think it's an oddball one like a miniature staff label or key token with the key bit broken off as it looks very small. 

Edited February 27, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[WaYSidE]

re: Rust comments above, i have a love of rusty history, i dont have any railwayana stuff, just some old tools, but with TLC rust can be revived using a gentle clean and lots of Owatrol oil, its expensive but keeps the history of each item including metals and wood, sure arnt all ye modellers painting rust onto everything????

Owatrol oil, fills the rust so air and moisture can no longer eat away at the metal

there are folks who get old historic pieces and sand / glass blast historic items to look new - shiny bright,  I personally think it ruins old items, removes there history and destroys the story of the item.

as for the comments about the rust buckets, those pitch forks, canal spades (rutters) and other tools at the auction are made by blacksmiths, the same guys who built the first steam engines, they are our heritage and are priceless. so take care of them and  enjoy the skills or hundreds of years of heritage..

8 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Think it's an oddball one like a miniature staff label or key token with the key bit broken off as it looks very small. 

i would like to know before i hand it into museum,

[WaYSidE]

24 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Maybe the Lartigue people in Listowel, they have some North Kerry items.

i thought you ment lethargic, but i googled lartigue,

[minister_for_hardship]

Had a look, it's the broken off label of the castlecomer jct - Castlecomer branch manual staff, normally held in a subsidiary instrument.

[WaYSidE]

1 minute ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Had a look, it's the broken off label of the castlecomer jct - Castlecomer branch manual staff, normally held in a subsidiary instrument.

thanks, should i download the entire auction catalogue pics onto this site somewhere, including the next auction and the past one from two years ago, it would make a good archive 

[minister_for_hardship]

[WaYSidE]

thanks

 

[Colin R]

Have to admit there is some good stuff in there, only problem for me will be postage cost's on top of any bids, I am taken with some of the later items about Irish History and Culture I would buy the lot if I had the room and the money to do so, just need to win the lottery I guess.

Colin