The Cork and Muskerry Light Railway

[Colin R]

Hi Guys I am looking for any drawings or details about the locomotives or Rolling stock from the Cork and Muskerry Railway,  I have the Oakwood press book by Stanley Jenkins about the lline, but the details about the rolling stock is a bit vague any help in finding out more detail would be welcome.

 

Colin Rainsbury

[PorkyP]

I've got dimensioned drawings of the Cork & Muskerry loco 'Blarney' (circa 1919 as I recall) if it's any use I'll dig them out and post up a scan or picture, if I can work out how !

[Colin R]

Yes please I do have one from the Railway Modeller of Blarney,  but any other drawing is welcome as sometimes different drawings show up details which are not alway shown on other drawings.

Colin

 

[PorkyP]

No worries, possibly best to pm copies .. as I suspect someone or other will get arsey about copyright !... I'll try and get a viewable pic or two and send em in a message if that's ok...

Just sent in p.m.

Edited July 9, 2019 by PorkyP

[PorkyP]

This is a great little bit of fillum of the line that gives a flavour of it , the railway action doesn't start till about 1min in btw... the staff uniform is very smart back then too!

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by PorkyP

[Galteemore]

Wonderful stuff -thanks for posting 

[PorkyP]

I think it was Mitchell & Kenyon footage, they did some amazing stuff in the early 1900s kind of period, well worth looking at, I think the BFI has them archived, and a lot are probably on you tube, there's one I saw, a journey from the top deck of a tram , which was fascinating, I must check em out again and see if they did any more on the railways..

Just found the tram footage, it's Belfast 1901 apparently..

 

Edited July 10, 2019 by PorkyP

[PorkyP]

Oops..but it does show some nice detail of carriage ends and roofs etc !

[DiveController]

From Mr Dean in case you're not aware of this Flickr album

 

 

[Mayner]

Colin

GSR diagrams (outline only very little detail) of C&M locos were published a recent edition of New Irish Lines.

I can scan a copy of the diagrams if its of help.

Apparently the authors have been unable to locate a diagram of the original locos as rebuilt into 4-4-0Ts or the C&L 4-4-0Ts

[Colin_McLeod]

Are there any pictures of St Ann's station near Tower, at the entrance to the Hydro farm? I'm interested because I lived on the Hydro site 2000 to 2002.

[minister_for_hardship]

54 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

Are there any pictures of St Ann's station near Tower, at the entrance to the Hydro farm? I'm interested because I lived on the Hydro site 2000 to 2002.

A brief spell on the Google machine found this. A camera shy location on a railway that not a lot has been published about, apart from the aforementioned Oakwood books.

Photo doesn't have a source or credit, sites claiming photos of others as their own are a bugbear of mine.

https://www.censusconnections.ie/muskerry-light-railway/

Edited December 5, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[Colin_McLeod]

Thats a great picture.  Thanks for sharing.

[DiveController]

There are some in this album which I'm sure you've seen. It might be worthwhile to search other light rail systems to which the CMLR locos were subsequently transferred such as the Schull & Skibbereen. I have the same book but don't recall what happened to the coaching stock, in there somewhere I'm sure.

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/NARROW-GAUGE-LOCOMOTIVES/i-rWDjGjR

 

[minister_for_hardship]

10 hours ago, DiveController said:

There are some in this album which I'm sure you've seen. It might be worthwhile to search other light rail systems to which the CMLR locos were subsequently transferred such as the Schull & Skibbereen. I have the same book but don't recall what happened to the coaching stock, in there somewhere I'm sure.

https://transportsofdelight.smugmug.com/RAILWAYS/IRISH-RAILWAYS/NARROW-GAUGE-LOCOMOTIVES/i-rWDjGjR

 

Only one C&MLR loco survived for reuse elsewhere, on the Schull & Skibbereen (ex No 6/6K "The Muskerry", renumbered 6S), another (sister loco 5/5K "Donoughmore") was supposed to go to the T&DLR section as 9T but that never happened in the end.

Some goods wagons ended up on the Cavan & Leitrim, coupled together in rakes as the "hook and eye" couplings weren't compatable with "chopper" couplings, coaches were probably sold off locally and/or scrapped. Not aware any were transferred elsewhere. Edit: two open wagons went to the C&L section as their 210L, 211L in 1936 and used with ex Passage stock. Eight more C&M opens with two Clogher Valley opens arrived from the WCR section in 1957, used once for ballast work and dumped at Ballinamore until final disposal. Were to be renumbered 231L-240L in the C&L series but never carried them.

A very small number of coaches survive, to this day, if you know where to look. I'm aware of a wagon somewhere else in a derelict state.

Edited December 6, 2019 by minister_for_hardship

[Colin R]

I don't want to know where they are but I would be interested if you could go and measure them all up and take loads of photos

Colin

[minister_for_hardship]

Best I can do for now.

[Colin R]

Wow that is great thank you, pity you don't have the Heritage groups that could make use of them if they every get sold.

[jhb171achill]

12 minutes ago, Colin R said:

Wow that is great thank you, pity you don't have the Heritage groups that could make use of them if they every get sold.

Good for measuring up, anyway! Nice find.

[Colin R]

17 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Good for measuring up, anyway! Nice find.

That would be my next question.

[jhb171achill]

On ‎7‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 2:01 AM, DiveController said:

 

 

 

This one is of interest to a wider audience too, as it shows a very nice example of the standard concrete posts and surrounds for the then-quite-modern black enamel standard GSR station nameboards. Some of these concrete jobbies were to be seen in a number of locations well into the 1970s.

I wonder if plans exist. It would be nice little thing for 3D printing, especially if a few of us wanted them.

[WRENNEIRE]

I know a man......

[Colin R]

I am sure they can be done

Colin

 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Colin R

[CensusConnections]

On 12/5/2019 at 9:49 AM, minister_for_hardship said:

A brief spell on the Google machine found this. A camera shy location on a railway that not a lot has been published about, apart from the aforementioned Oakwood books.

Photo doesn't have a source or credit, sites claiming photos of others as their own are a bugbear of mine.

https://www.censusconnections.ie/muskerry-light-railway/

Hiya - this was me, sorry about the missing credits, I struggled with Wordpress to begin with it and put the info in the wrong place.

Originally I had received a photocopy of this picture from a local historian who has been researching St Ann's Hydro for years - I found the online version in this website.

http://www.inniscarra.org/gallery/gallery/muskerry_tram_files/page6-1032-full.html

I suspect that all the photos come from the National Archives as while I have seen most of these over the years from the historian there are a few with people in them that I have not encountered before.

Again, sorry about the missing credits, it was pure ignorance of how bloody Wordpress works more than anything else!