Dave Dawes Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Hi all, I have been a modeller for many years in N and Z scale with exhibition layouts. I am now in the process of being able to build an OO layout at home. Now do I go 16.5 (OO) or 21mm in Irish railways or OO for the Scottish Highlands. I see the Murphys models are becoming hard to find but are they easy to convert to 21mm, what about other Irish manufacturers. Just some thoughts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Hi Dave - prob best to look here to start with... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murrayec Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 @Dave Dawes Hi @WRENNEIRE is the man for Murphys 141s, 071s, 201s and are convertible to 21mm with a bit of jiggery-poke!, he's good for rolling stock also, IRM's new wagons are also convertible and I believe it's inbuilt in the forthcoming Class A loco- don't know about Murphy's forthcoming Class 121 loco yet As you will see in Galteemore's link you will have to make your own 21mm track or pay someone to do it Eoin 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 Eoin Yes many thanks, going to stick with OO as I have pre ordered 2x 121 class and there are a few locos about if you look. Also fancy the new Peco bullhead track as it does look super with the wide sleeper spacing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) The lack of suitable track remains an impediment to building any thing in 21mm. I think modelers would be inclined to do loco and stock conversions (and even that can be a little tedious), but building your own track is mostly for smaller layouts for all except a few modelers I expect Edited November 22, 2019 by DiveController 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 10, 2019 Author Share Posted October 10, 2019 Yes that's what I was thinking, think I will stick with the oo, but use the new bullhead track, with the wider sleeper spacing it does give it a more broad gauge look even if it isnt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 On 10/10/2019 at 6:16 AM, Dave Dawes said: Yes that's what I was thinking, think I will stick with the oo, but use the new bullhead track, with the wider sleeper spacing it does give it a more broad gauge look even if it isnt I would recommend Peco Bullhead track if you are going with OO. I think it does help the appearance greatly. I have included a link to a short video of my layout we’re I have used it. This layout is far from complete but you can get the feeling for how the track looks 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Yes the wider sleeper spacing does fool your eye, doesn't it, makes it much more borad gauge like, good job, your layout has given me ideas for my new small terminus , thanks again Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 The big problem comes with steamers when you can see the wheels behind the splashers,but when all is said and done each to his own,Andy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 Wont bother me Andy not a kettle fan I'm afraid , diesel oil in my blood, comes from being a driver on BR class 31, 47 and 50s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIR Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 16.5mm/5'3" = 3.142 ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Ex Swindon boilermaker, nuff said,Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIRCLASS80 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Dave Dawes said: Wont bother me Andy not a kettle fan I'm afraid , diesel oil in my blood, comes from being a driver on BR class 31, 47 and 50s Class 50 driver! Love it, dream job!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 51 minutes ago, NIRCLASS80 said: Class 50 driver! Love it, dream job!! Wont bother me Andy not a kettle fan I'm afraid , diesel oil in my blood, comes from being a driver on BR class 31, 47 and 50s Best job I had was the last Oxford (2300) back one spring evening 7 mk1 coaches 2x class 50s in multiple ( one was being returned in train to Old Oak so I mu them) my friend was in Slough panel box that night and they clocked me at 107mph past the box, the noise leaving Reading was nothing liked I've heard since 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Dawes Posted October 11, 2019 Author Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Dave Dawes said: Wont bother me Andy not a kettle fan I'm afraid , diesel oil in my blood, comes from being a driver on BR class 31, 47 and 50s Best job I had was the last Oxford (2300) back one spring evening 7 mk1 coaches 2x class 50s in multiple ( one was being returned in train to Old Oak so I mu them) my friend was in Slough panel box that night and they clocked me at 107mph past the box, the noise leaving Reading was nothing liked I've heard since Tell you what the best noise is at the moment a 071 or a 201 accelerating hard 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhb171achill Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Dave Dawes said: Tell you what the best noise is at the moment a 071 or a 201 accelerating hard A pair of 121/141/181 roaring up the gullet with about eleven heavily loaded laminates & Park Royals (10:30 Dublin-Cork about 1977), or a single 141 lifting nine Mk 2s stuffed with commuters (Lisburn-Belfast about 1995-2000) was the best I ever recall hearing! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Cundick Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 Sorry but 3850(GW 280) with 23 coaches on coming up the bank towards Washford station,knocks the spots of any diesel,sheer brute power,Andy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galteemore Posted October 12, 2019 Share Posted October 12, 2019 I do like this one ..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiveController Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Slow and steady it has to be without a banking engine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holman Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 For me, nothing says Irish railways better than 21mm or 36.75mm track. The Peco code 75 certainly looks so much better than code 100 though, especially if you can keep to a low viewing angle. See Patrick's layout thread for that. However, would still say doing 21mm is worth a try. Plain track is easy to make using C&L components, while points could be custom made by the likes of Marcway, or again have a go yourself with C&L. The only thing you'd need to find/have made is a suitable roller gauge. 21mm is not about P4 either, finescale 00 clearances (one mm flange ways) will be fine. One point and a couple of lengths of plain track should only take a couple of hours using C&L parts, with no soldering required either. Worth thinking about. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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