B101 sulzer removed

[Blaine]

On 13/12/2020 at 4:43 PM, K801 said:

I wonder why 106 been the last serviced was not saved instead of 103

It was used for buffer impact testing somewhere, so probably was a bit bent afterwards, back then diesel preservation wasnt a thing in Ireland

[Mol_PMB]

I'm a bit doubtful of the livery sequence shown for B113, I think at least one of the photo dates is wrong.

It was -G- in 1959:

And in 1960:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53499016749/

This photo shows B113 in plain green, 'circa 1962':

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511770384/

This photo from Ernie is dated 1962 but is the one I'm most doubtful of the date, because it would mean that 113 was painted plain black before it was painted black and deep tan. Also in this photo it is surrounded by black Metrovicks so I think later 1960s is more likely:

It was BDT in the mid-60s, exact date unknown:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53526390417

...and I suspect the black period came after that.

Then I think it spent a few years out of service before being reinstated in BYP for the last few years.

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, Blaine said:

It was used for buffer impact testing somewhere, so probably was a bit bent afterwards, back then diesel preservation wasnt a thing in Ireland

It seems that most categories of what little has been preserved here are like that; the best is long gone before anyone takes any interest in it at all; witness no MGWR loco, not a solitary complete cattle truck (once the single most common vehicle), only half a dozen or so narrow gauge carriages (across the 14 narrow gauge lines across the island), only a handful of goods wagons of any type, and virtually no first generation railcars, in preservation.

In the early 60s, when Senior was still on the railway, he saw an almost rabid cult determined to obliterate as much of the past as humanly possible. There was zero interest in anything heritage related, beyond the Belfast Transport Museum.

[Mol_PMB]

29 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Excellent info, Mol. Most useful to anyone planning a model.

I have not found any evidence at all of a 101 carryiong the yellow front panels either - I strongly suspect none ever did. This was a variant confined to the two 113s, and SOME (not all) As & Cs.

And yes, "skipping" of liveries was not unknown. Some GNR carriages went straight from GNR brown (or navy & cream) to black'n'tan, having "skipped" green. I understand that one ex-GNR K15 was the last still in brown in 1966 or thereabouts, and was repainted black'n'tan that year. The very last "C"s were delivered green, not silver. And some A class, certainly, and possibly C, went straight from (filthy) silver to black / black'n'tan variants.

Looks very much as if 109 skipped the green too. If it was silver in 1961, it's hardly going have been repainted green.

Thanks. If the mood takes me, I might do something similar for other classes. I picked the B101s to do first because it was a small and relatively short-lived class.

The A's and C's would be a bit daunting, and the GMs a bit dull; I might do D's E's and G's.

 

[jhb171achill]

21 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Thanks. If the mood takes me, I might do something similar for other classes. I picked the B101s to do first because it was a small and relatively short-lived class.

The A's and C's would be a bit daunting, and the GMs a bit dull; I might do D's E's and G's.

 

Go for it!

[minister_for_hardship]

48 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

 an almost rabid cult determined to obliterate as much of the past as humanly possible. There was zero interest in anything heritage related.

Sadly, you could write that about the present day and it would be equally true.

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Sadly, you could write that about the present day and it would be equally true.

Very true!

[Horsetan]

On 28/11/2024 at 4:32 PM, minister_for_hardship said:

Sadly, you could write that about the present day and it would be equally true.

Deleting history (and people) is fashionable 

[skinner75]

Were the staff catchers ever used on the 101 class?

Looks daft having the recess for the staff catcher, with no catcher installed

[Weshty]

As an update folks, I have plenty of the 101 Sulzers  in stock, as well as the requisite brass detailing.  

I also have brass staff catchers that I can provide free of charge with the kits if wanted.  I've also reduced the price to €70,

Edited December 5 by Weshty

[Mol_PMB]

7 minutes ago, Weshty said:

As an update folks, I have plenty of the 101 Sulzers  in stock, as well as the requisite brass detailing.  

I also have brass staff catchers that I can provide free of charge with the kits if wanted.  I've also reduced the price to €70,

I’m very tempted! On holiday at present but I’ll be in touch when I get home and have finished the brake van!

[jhb171achill]

On 28/11/2024 at 3:50 PM, Mol_PMB said:

……I picked the B101s to do first because it was a small and relatively short-lived class….

Geographically limited too - almost uniquely for a CIE diesel. They were very much “southern” engines and rarely strayed off the GSWR. As far as I’m aware they were completely unknown north of Connolly, and appearances on the Midland were zero on most of it, and limited to maybe a weedspray on other parts.

[Irishrailwayman]

4 hours ago, Weshty said:

As an update folks, I have plenty of the 101 Sulzers  in stock, as well as the requisite brass detailing.  

I also have brass staff catchers that I can provide free of charge with the kits if wanted.  I've also reduced the price to €70,

Go for it - it's a great kit. Here's mine on "Ballybeg"...

[Mol_PMB]

On 5/12/2024 at 4:37 PM, skinner75 said:

Were the staff catchers ever used on the 101 class?

Looks daft having the recess for the staff catcher, with no catcher installed

I have looked at a lot of B101 photos in compiling the livery table, and I don’t recall tablet catchers even in silver livery photos. I will re-check once I’m home. 
i have found some more photos and will update the B101 and E tables next week. 
Mol

[Markleman]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:13 PM, jhb171achill said:

Geographically limited too - almost uniquely for a CIE diesel. They were very much “southern” engines and rarely strayed off the GSWR. As far as I’m aware they were completely unknown north of Connolly, and appearances on the Midland were zero on most of it, and limited to maybe a weedspray on other parts.

During one of these weed spraying marathons a Sulzer reached Portadown and handed over the weedsprayer to NIR there. Other than that I am not aware of them north of the border.

I have sent an email to the guy who photographed it to check out the date and details.

Edited December 7 by Markleman

[jhb171achill]

1 hour ago, Markleman said:

During one of these weed spraying marathons a Sulzer reached Portadown and handed over the weedsprayer to NIR there. Other than that I am not aware of them north of the border.

I have sent an email to the guy who photographed it to check out the date and details.

Wow - that’s got to have been a one-off! Would he share his picture?

[DSERetc]

On 5/12/2024 at 3:37 PM, skinner75 said:

Were the staff catchers ever used on the 101 class?

Looks daft having the recess for the staff catcher, with no catcher installed

In the Journal of the Irish Railway Record Society, No 86  October 1981,   in his article Sulzer Locomotives of CIE, on page 274 Dan Renehan writes 'Incidentally B107 and B106 were the only two to carry staff-snatchers, to my knowledge.'

Also, I think it was in this forum that some one said that because because of the shape of the recesses on the locomotives, the staff-snatchers had to be installed facing in the wrong direction, so that the 'snatcher man' travelled in the rear cab to operate the arm.

DSERetc

[Markleman]

5 hours ago, jhb171achill said:

Wow - that’s got to have been a one-off! Would he share his picture?

He has confirmed this happening and he has promised to get the details if he can find them. I have seen the slide myself and it was shown at an MRSI slide show.

it is a pity that year NIR provided their own traction for the sprayer. At one stage they also borrowed a loco which brought a 141 class onto the Larne line.

The guy in quesiton has thousands upon thousands of slides of Irish railways from 1975 to about 2010. He has never had a single slide scanned. He turned down my offer to scan the whole collection and produce a book for him. They are all in his icy loft despite us all telling him that they need to be at room temperature to avoid mould. Someday the whole collection will end up in a skip.

If he ever produces the details I will post it here.

[108]

I only ever saw a Sulzer moving once. 106 in Supertrain livery southbound through Harmonstown! 
 

I later found out it was a light engine test run before the IRRS farewell tour. 
 

Only other times I saw the class were in the Inchicore barrier and later when they moved to North Wall for scrapping. 
 

Plus of course 103 in Carrick-onSuir. 

[jhb171achill]

I know another individual with a collection like that, which I am aware that it is deteriorating. There’s no talking to him at all!

[Horsetan]

On 7/12/2024 at 10:12 PM, jhb171achill said:

I know another individual with a collection like that, which I am aware that it is deteriorating. There’s no talking to him at all!

Hoarding's such a terrible disease.