B101 sulzer removed

[Blaine]

On 13/12/2020 at 4:43 PM, K801 said:

I wonder why 106 been the last serviced was not saved instead of 103

It was used for buffer impact testing somewhere, so probably was a bit bent afterwards, back then diesel preservation wasnt a thing in Ireland

[Mol_PMB]

I'm a bit doubtful of the livery sequence shown for B113, I think at least one of the photo dates is wrong.

It was -G- in 1959:

And in 1960:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53499016749/

This photo shows B113 in plain green, 'circa 1962':

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511770384/

This photo from Ernie is dated 1962 but is the one I'm most doubtful of the date, because it would mean that 113 was painted plain black before it was painted black and deep tan. Also in this photo it is surrounded by black Metrovicks so I think later 1960s is more likely:

It was BDT in the mid-60s, exact date unknown:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53526390417

...and I suspect the black period came after that.

Then I think it spent a few years out of service before being reinstated in BYP for the last few years.

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, Blaine said:

It was used for buffer impact testing somewhere, so probably was a bit bent afterwards, back then diesel preservation wasnt a thing in Ireland

It seems that most categories of what little has been preserved here are like that; the best is long gone before anyone takes any interest in it at all; witness no MGWR loco, not a solitary complete cattle truck (once the single most common vehicle), only half a dozen or so narrow gauge carriages (across the 14 narrow gauge lines across the island), only a handful of goods wagons of any type, and virtually no first generation railcars, in preservation.

In the early 60s, when Senior was still on the railway, he saw an almost rabid cult determined to obliterate as much of the past as humanly possible. There was zero interest in anything heritage related, beyond the Belfast Transport Museum.

[Mol_PMB]

29 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

Excellent info, Mol. Most useful to anyone planning a model.

I have not found any evidence at all of a 101 carryiong the yellow front panels either - I strongly suspect none ever did. This was a variant confined to the two 113s, and SOME (not all) As & Cs.

And yes, "skipping" of liveries was not unknown. Some GNR carriages went straight from GNR brown (or navy & cream) to black'n'tan, having "skipped" green. I understand that one ex-GNR K15 was the last still in brown in 1966 or thereabouts, and was repainted black'n'tan that year. The very last "C"s were delivered green, not silver. And some A class, certainly, and possibly C, went straight from (filthy) silver to black / black'n'tan variants.

Looks very much as if 109 skipped the green too. If it was silver in 1961, it's hardly going have been repainted green.

Thanks. If the mood takes me, I might do something similar for other classes. I picked the B101s to do first because it was a small and relatively short-lived class.

The A's and C's would be a bit daunting, and the GMs a bit dull; I might do D's E's and G's.

 

[jhb171achill]

21 minutes ago, Mol_PMB said:

Thanks. If the mood takes me, I might do something similar for other classes. I picked the B101s to do first because it was a small and relatively short-lived class.

The A's and C's would be a bit daunting, and the GMs a bit dull; I might do D's E's and G's.

 

Go for it!

[minister_for_hardship]

48 minutes ago, jhb171achill said:

 an almost rabid cult determined to obliterate as much of the past as humanly possible. There was zero interest in anything heritage related.

Sadly, you could write that about the present day and it would be equally true.

[jhb171achill]

5 minutes ago, minister_for_hardship said:

Sadly, you could write that about the present day and it would be equally true.

Very true!