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I have (or can easily produce) the transfer artwork for what you need, I think. And a supplier. Are you looking for the dark green numbers to go on a broad EdN waistline, or the EdN numerals to go on a plain dark green carriage? Do you need 'GUARD' and/or the EdN tonnage lettering for the ends?

5th April 1952 and here are some freshly-painted carriages at Inchicore in 'plain dark green' livery: https://www.thetransportlibrary.co.uk/-/galleries/rail/lens-of-sutton-association/lens-of-sutton-association-irish-railways-part-2/-/medias/d694a9fe-c7f9-4823-9d78-e63ec4c947d9-cie-37m-6-wheel-birdcage-brake-third-coach-and-cie-185m-6-wheel From 1945 to 1950 CIE used the dark green with elaborate EdN lining, snails, and class digits 1 and 3. In 1950 under the new nationalised CIE board, the livery was dramatically simplified with no lining or snails, and only 1 class digits. This 'plain dark green' livery appeared on CIE's new-built stock in 1951-52 such as this composite 2135: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53508722781 It was also applied to older stock as seen in the first photo linked above. Seen also here, in colour, in June 1953: And here, looking a bit work-worn in 1956: As you can see, this plain dark green wasn't just a 'West Cork' curiosity but was applied at Inchicore and to a wide variety of carriages including MGWR, DSER, GSWR and CIE vehicles. The extremely plain livery was revised slightly around 1952/3 to include a thin 2" waist line in EdN, which matched the AEC railcars being delivered at that time: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53507832507

The date is given as 1950s, but can be narrowed down to post-1956 by the laminate, the '2' class digits and the presence of C219 itself. Given that the laminate and the loco are already a bit shabby I'd say maybe 1958? That may be the last surviving GSWR 6-wheel brake third. I have ambitions to model one of those laminates by fitting new etched sides and roof details to an IRM Park Royal. The underframe and interior were near-identical.

I was reading the body instructions and noted that the whole thing ends up soldered together in one piece. My preference would normally be to have separate sub-assemblies for footplate, boiler and superstructure. I've got some ideas about how to do this which I am mulling over. I'll be interested to see how your motor/gearbox option looks within the footplate cutouts (which I suspect are much larger than needed for a modern motor/gearbox). Also, my kit has no boiler. Do you have one, and if so what are its dimensions? The photos in that old thread show a massively thick-walled pipe which explains why the instructions say it requires a lot of heat to solder to the smokebox! I would envisage using a much thinner tube.

Indeed. I’ve seen and travelled behind classes 56 and 86 in Hungary, and there are 87s in Bulgaria too. On an Irish angle there are the NIR 1 class in Sri Lanka!

I know this thread is a decade old, but thought I would bump it as it contains some useful information for @Tullygrainey on the options in the J26 kit. I got my kit out last night and had a look at the bits and read the instructions. I am mulling over the options, one of which is to put it back in the stash… @Horsetan did you get a CSB chassis working in the end?

Is there a list of which stations Andy Cundick has modelled already, so I can cross them off my list of options? Assuming that he hasn’t done every branch terminus in Ireland!

Well I'd read somewhere that A class were prohibited from the Quartertown Mill branch, but obviously not by the 1970s: 0:43 to 1:00 or thereabouts, a snippet of shunting at Quartertown. It looks like the train is just 2 bitumen tanks and a brake van. Very useful though frustratingly short and with little of the surroundings in shot, but a whole lot better than nothing!

Courtmacsherry would make a great model railway!

This is the only carriage I have seen it on. Part of the slogan, but the typeface of the C.I.E. is consistent with the containers, not the rest of the slogan, so I think this can be considered to be the logo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54372688542 As you know, it's on the annual reports for 1960, 1961, 1962 and 1963. Up to 1959 they have the snail, and from 1964 it's the roundel.

A few from Skibbereen:

A few of my pics showing some different locations from @Westcorkrailway's photos above. I just realised that all the placenames start with B or C, but that was true of nearly half the CBSCR stations! Four at Ballineen: Note @jhb171achill giving the building a stern talking-to for being the wrong colour! The engine shed at Baltimore: Container at Baltimore: My toy trains at Ballinascarthy: Chetwynd viaduct: Clonakilty Junction: Wherever Tailte decide to go next, please can you arrange the same weather?

I've had time for a bit more research. Of the 12 locos, 5 were withdrawn in 1954-56 and so don't fit your timeframe, these were 551, 553, 554, 555, 556. According to the list in Ernie Shepherd's book. But there is an IRRS photo of 554 in steam at Galway dated August 1958, so one of those dates is wrong. 553, 555 and 560 were on the W&T and had the enlarged cabs and modified steps. Only 560 saw use after its time on the W&T, lasting in service until 1963 working around Tralee. Considering the remainder with normal cabs and lasting into the late 1950s: 552 lasted until 1963, latterly working in Cork / West Cork. It had a slightly raised bunker. Loads of photos. 557 was withdrawn in 1959, latterly working in Cork / West Cork. Standard bunker, and retained numberplates well into the 1950s and probably until withdrawal. Some photos. 558 was withdrawn in 1960, latterly working in Sligo. It had a slightly raised bunker and large buffers. Loads of photos. 559 was withdrawn in 1960, latterly working around Tralee. It had a standard bunker and large buffers, and a unique vent on the cab roof. Some photos. 561 was withdrawn in 1959, seems to have been Dublin-based. Standard bunker and buffers. Some photos. 562 lasted until 1963, seems to have been Dublin-based. Standard bunker and buffers. Some photos. Happy choosing!

One of the surprises on the Tailte Tours trip around West Cork was discovering an old CIE alloy container at Baltimore. We only had a very brief 'request stop' and I didn't have a tape measure with me, so all I have are some photos from a couple of the more accessible angles. At first glance I thought it was the same type as the one preserved at Dromod, but I was wrong. This photo from Pat Kirwan on Flickr shows the 1961/62 type of container on the left, with relatively sharply curved roof and 11 panels on the sides, this is the type at Dromod. However, the one at Baltimore is the 1962/63 type of insulated container, a bit taller with a larger radius on the roof and 10 panels on the sides, as shown on the right in the image below.

It was a significant birthday for me in March, and with my IRM deliveries further delayed I was looking for something to treat myself to. I had a bit of an eBay ‘accident’ and ended up with two birthday presents, both of which have been delivered today: I’m not sure how I can justify either of these appearing at Quartertown Mill! The silver A fits my present modelling theme better than the 071, but the latter is more in tune with my childhood memories. Both are lovely models and are in pristine condition.

You'll be exhausted by the time you've found the correct casting, but chuffed to get it right.

That looks better than the original. More like the prototype, anyway.

Most 1950s photos of Sligo show 558: DGM_MGWR_558_Sligo_Quay_c1950s | [Photographer: Denis G Morr… | Flickr RNC_MGWR_558_Sligo_15_Sept_1956 | [Photographer: Robin N Cle… | Flickr RNC_MGWR_558_Sligo_15_Sept_1956 (2) | [Photographer: Robin N… | Flickr MAJ_MGWR_558_Sligo_Quay_30_May_1957 (2) | [Photographer: Mik… | Flickr AEB_SLNCR_MGWR_Henry_558_Sligo_Quay_15_Aug_1957 | [Photograp… | Flickr Painted numbers, and small bunker extension.

557 may be the best bet, seems to have survived into the late 1950s with a numberplate but small bunker: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511679834 https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511776694 551 was in this condition but withdrawn at Inchicore in 1955: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54251301311 https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53509201534 Otherwise I think they all lost their plates, or got the W&T cab.

Nice! Put some cement bubbles on the transporters for it to haul?

That's interesting, because I have the same preference aiming for 1960 condition or thereabouts, and locos working in Cork/Kerry. I think my decision is between 552, 559 or 560. Looking at photos there are plenty of differences between them - 552 has a small bunker extension, 559 has bigger buffers, 560 has the W&T enlarged cab and modified footsteps. I imagine there were such differences between all the locos by the 1950s/60s.

Excellent to see this, and good progress! I have one of these kits in the stash too, so I'm looking forward to following this build and it might inspire me to get started on mine too. Are you building to 16.5mm gauge? Have you chosen a prototype loco yet?

Nice goods vans, and we can even see the lettering on the sheet over the roof.

Sláinte Tours? I'm in!

Bedtime reading… Apart from the other Colm Creedon books, am I missing any? Are there any CBSCR carriage drawings in existence?