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I’d be very interested in a Bredin composite if you have one.

Very good, all ran like clockwork, we were half an hour early into Limerick, and on time back into Dublin. 171 and 088 performed well. The bar and buffet cars seemed to be doing a good trade. The weather was dry and mostly sunshine and blue skies. A most enjoyable trip.

171 is performing superbly today. Just eating up the miles at 70-75 mph. Apart from the clouds racing past the window you wouldn’t know there’s a 113 year old kettle up front.

If they’re that desperate, there’s an S class inbound ready for the next one!

See you in Wesht Caark next month?

Today’s entertainment As usual the steam heating is mostly going straight to atmosphere!

I’m staying in Sutton but thought I’d take an endurance trip on the DART. By the time I got to Bray I was in need of a drink: Lots of trains through the ages on the station walls, but I’m not sure @jhb171achill would approve of the 1930s livery?

Ireland’s probably a bit far south for him? Mind you, scope for confusion of the emerald isle with Iceland or Greenland? But it looks like the IRRS are laying out the red (green?) carpet: https://flic.kr/p/2rYhg68

I love those wagons! Excellent work on the weathering.

Also, after being delivered in green the G611s were painted black and tan first. A few were later just black with white trim.

No G class carried a snail in CIE service. As far as I can tell, only one was green in service.

It'll have to be a pretty huge carrier to operate the Irish squadron! I can only begin to contemplate the extras that could be charged for on board.

The end artwork was more tricky because the end elevations and cross-sections on the original drawing were badly damaged. However, to fill the gaps I've been able to make use of other drawings from similar carriages, as well as dimensions from the plan view of the one I'm actually modelling. As far as possible I'm using labelled dimensions, only scaling when there's no other option. I've finished the basic end now, there are some more parts yet to draw for the gangway, footsteps etc. Also I need to add the flanges and brackets that connect the sides, ends, underframe and roof. There won't be more progress on this until later next week as I'm heading to Dublin tomorrow morning.

Modded, I'd say. It's a bit after my period of interest so I'm not sure. They're simpler to model too. Some NLI and IRRS links to pics in original condition: https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307992 https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307993 https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000307510 https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53509009601 https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/54403834689

Originally, for barytes traffic, they were designed so the sides dropped down flat and the load was pushed sideways out of the wagon by a JCB or similar. When the barytes traffic stopped, they were used by the PWD for spoil and also for rock armour on coastal sections of line. Initially they remained unmodified (as my pic of a rusty one branded PWD LKJ) Later it seems that the doors were sealed up and the operating mechanism and balance weights were removed. They got a coat of red paint on the body. @BosKonay's thread (in the resources section that I linked above) includes a drawing in original condition, and a load of photos of the later modified type. My photos in the post above show unmodified wagons. Strictly, there were two subtly different variants as-built, but I think those differences would not be obvious on a modified wagon.

Some of my pics of them before modification:

Good tip. Is his name pronounced more like Jones or Johannes? I've heard both.

From Roger Joanes, another photo of Camping Coach No.8 (previously GSWR 837, later 530A) at Tramore. This is the one now at Whitehead.

Many possible approaches depending on your preferred material and your budget!. The cheap option for the chassis would be a Dapol Prestwin kit; a more accurate but more expensive version could use an IRM chassis from a magnesite / ballast / bubble etc. JM design has also produced an etch for this type of chassis in the past, and Enda has done a 3D printed chassis that may be suitable. The body could be a simple plastikard box with some details added from microstrip, or it could be 3D printed. I'm pretty sure there's a drawing available for the barytes wagons somewhere. The modifications for spoil seem to have been removing bits and welding up the doors.

More details and examples of the early variant here. As JHB says, the depth of the colour bands was changed, generally with more tan and less white, photos indicate that change was implemented from May 1962 and then the livery stayed pretty consistent until the late 1980s.

My understanding is that the BnT livery was specifically designed to make a disparate rake of carriages look uniform. The black helped to conceal the style and size of windows and whether the coaches were panelled or flush-sided. The original specification had the split line between the black and the tan defined at a consistent height above rail for all stock, so they all seemed to line up and looked consistent. Then after a few months they decided to change the height of that split! The tan ('golden brown' on the original drawing) was also well-chosen so that a bit of weathering and brake dust didn't look obvious.

Following on from the previous post, I found a couple more photos of brake third 860 in the IRRS archive, at Inchicore in 1954. The catch is that these images are flipped left/right - the carriage number is legible (backwards) in the first photo: KAM_DKR_X_Inchicore_12_June_1954 | [Photographer: Kevin A Mu… | Flickr KAM_DKR_GSR_98_X_Inchicore_12_June_1954 | [Photographer: Kev… | Flickr The livery here looks like plain dark green, no lining or class designations.

That's superb! lovely work.

I'm just a passenger (hopefully) and haven't yet received confirmed timings. The outline timings are Connolly 0930, Portarlington 1050, so you may be able to interpolate?

The closest relatives to the 50' open gangwayed thirds were a group of 4 brake open thirds that were identical in style and dimensions and also built in 1902. In the Transport Research Associates diagram book these are diagram 32, and they were numbered 857 to 860. They were withdrawn between 1960 and 1966, so had the same lifespan as the thirds which are the main subject of this thread. Originally built with a gangway only at the passenger end, another was added at the brake end in GSR days (not shown in the 1924 diagram but the 1947 and subsequent lists show them all having 2 gangways) By 1961 the three survivors had been demoted to secondary stock. I've found a few photos of these while looking for photos of the thirds, so I thought I'd just add them here. First is an excellent colour view from Ernie, dated 12/09/1960 and showing one arriving at Cork Glanmire Road. With a C class for traction this is unlikely to be a Dublin express, more likely from Tralee. The coach is in light green livery with waistline and 2 class digits: The IRRS archive has two nice photos dated c.1964 showing what appears to be 860 S (S for secondary stock). Also at Glanmire Road, this one seems to be in 'plain green', probably light green, with no waist line or class digits: https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511482569 https://www.flickr.com/photos/irishrailwayarchive/53511482574 The NLI O'Dea collection has another nice photo dated 08/09/1959, and once again in Cork. This coach has slightly different roof details to the two shown above. It may be in plain green livery and looks darker than the freshly-painted light green K801. https://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000304702 Unfortunately the IRRS drawing set does not include these brake open thirds. However, I have a simple diagram and there may be enough information in the drawings for other arc roof coaches to derive a model drawing. But one step at a time!