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Nail on head, for the Irish market its a bit different as there is a bit more of a general crowd but at Warley in 2015 there were Lego and Playmobil layouts, but most of the big kids enjoyed the massive Hornby Dublo layout the most - granted it was a display of Hornby Dublo but no scenery or 'modelling' to speak of, just lots of tinplate trains running on the tinplate track along with the metal on metal sound. Most entertaining. You cant please everyone at a show, the height of some layouts/people allows them to see into the fiddle yard and 'request' a train too, which most operators are happy to fulfill. Its why they are called 'Exhibitions' or 'Shows' rather than 'Exact recreations of railway scenes/operations in minature' - the old shrinking ray has yet to leave the beta development stage....

It will be taking up valuble flywheel/ballast space...

As an exhibitor of many years and on many layouts, Ive not once had someone directly point out to me that my operations were bad. Its mostly compliments I get. Ive said it repeatedly, in Ireland at least people want to watch trains go by, or round and round and round. They want to be entertained. Realism,accuracy,scale etc is only appreciated by a few and thats fine. The fact that the Lego layout is the most popular of late says it all. People who come to be entertained make up the bulk of the attendance. People who are modellers,critiques etc also come along but if it was them alone who attended, the show would not make a profit and would not be repeated It also says in the exhibitors manual for the Warley show that you are there to entertain and engage each and every visitor I think you are the one who is going around in circles, ever decreasing ones

Ah I don't really fancy lowering myself to your own level as you could beat me with experience. Keep thumping the keyboard me aul flower. Thump it harder I'll leave you with a word - Frateschi

But I'm not a manufacturer

When you go and look at real trains do you it from a 10 storey building or a helicopter? Dont forget Model Trains are exactly that - Model trains. They are not real trains that have been shrunk with a shrinking ray. Sadly in the majority they have electric motors powering them rather than miniature internal combustion/steam engines. All the little people inside are lumps of plastic, they cant open the doors or windows...... Given what you said about IFM models and BR 33's/MK1's etc you are really showing up some double standards here. You have dragged this one well off topic again. As someone who has completed several chassis swops, a few have been missing axles and nobody noticed at normal viewing distance. The models ran and looked fine which is more important. Dont forget too Airfix and Hornby left them out on production models too.

I'm breathing normally as Dapol have confirmed their model. They do an N gauge version too so they already have the livery rights. The Dapol model is advertised as being fitted with a smoke generator which will be interesting

To bring things up to date 59003 is back home with GBRF And Dapol have announced a OO gauge model, after another manufacturer announced and then had to retract their model

Not long to go now, they have also announced the Prototype HST/HSDT......

Well when you make the layout ensure the baseboards are mounted 6 feet off the ground and the onlookers are inches away from them. Otherwise you would never notice at 2-5 feet away that there is an axle missing..... Anyway the Sulzers were A1A-A1A..........

If you can make it fit leave the centre axles out - at normal viewing distances it wont be noticeable that there is a wheelset missing...

Depends what direction one is coming from.......

The MRSI video of Warley 2015 and O'Connell Street Tramway 1949

The Fiddle Yard on Whiteacres is something else, 65+ trains lined up

Patrick - stop getting your knickers in a twist over anything/everything I say about the Fry Model Railway. To bring back an old saying of mine on the previous forums - if you dont like what I have to say dont read it. Your status as the moral guardian on here is starting to grate a little. It obviously meant that much to you that you had to type out the above. So what if I dont follow the line on here, its been revealed that it never made a profit - ever so the fact it lasted so long where it was says a little about the bean counters, a bit of concern (or luck) ensured the collection was safely stored away. Thats about all and I typed in a few paragraphs too. Why not open up the toolbox and do a little modelling. Its why we are all here ultimately. Its the main reason Ive typed this in the small hours

Wait until something happens - still. Im sure when my local TD knocks on the door they will be unaware of it. Its another one to be filed under 'Only in Ireland'. Sometimes its hard to be a realist but read a comment of mine earlier in this thread and you will see that I got an inside view of the previous operation Cheers for that, Eoin!

If it it happens great is my outlook. Im just not wholly convinced. More important things for local government to fix first

Believe it when it happens - as in when the ribbon is cut and it is declared officially open

Thank You, hardly 'my' layout as a team of 20 people contributed to it. Will have plenty of photos and video footage by the end of the weekend too

That was my 1st Warley. Still managed to enjoy it

Go on Sunday to avoid the the crowds Will be heading over in the early hours of Thursday morning with O'Connell Street, lets see if we return with a Trophy....

How many were made RTR?

What percentage of that price is 'sentimental value'

You get what you pay for. At least with these its excellent quality and materials

If there was enough of a market for that in RTR then there would be. Most would not want it or not be willing to pay for it.